From: seebs@plethora.net (Peter Seebach)
Subject: Re: Your english sucks, mine is better.
Date: 1997/11/28
Date: 1997-11-28T16:52:32-06:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <65nhvg$q49$1@darla.visi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: MPG.ee905f464138d6c9897aa@news.idt.net
In article <MPG.ee905f464138d6c9897aa@news.idt.net>, <billg@jk.pst.com> wrote:
>> Still, I've met people who start by lying about what they can do, and
>> then try to cover up for it. Now, you can blame part of this on the
>> manager not inspiring them, or firing them if they won't work, but the
>> employee is responsible for some of this too...
>My guess is the person was, in most instances, not lying but rather
>"believed" he/she could do it (shine; take a short term risk to realize
>longer term results, for example) given the opportunity.
Nah. I knew a guy who had never done any real programming, except for
small test programs in Fortran, who put several years of C on his
resume. He freely admitted he couldn't program if you asked him - after
he got the job, and as long as a manager wasn't around.
>Given enough time, I'll bet they could have too.
After watching him for about two and a half years, I didn't think so.
This is a guy who spent *weeks* writing code to convert DD/MM/YY dates
to "November 25, 1997". Not to mention that he decided to use YY after
1996. I believe it took him six months to write a program which selected
file names and ran a conversion program. He was simply *not a programmer*.
Whatever it is that makes programmers go, he didn't have it.
I think he would have been a fairly good tech writer.
>Other times visions of what is
>required, agreed to and what the potentials are, are seriously
>misinterpretted by one or both parties. Nothing to resort to name
>calling or ill feelings about however. It's just learning. It takes a
>pretty "big" person to give someone real opportunity for achievement,
>self-worth etc. Sometimes doing good may cost you something in the short
>term. But in the fast-food age I realize this is idealistic.
I believe there are people who really just aren't getting any better.
I believe some of them will lie about this, because they'd rather have
jobs than not.
I've been in large companies, and I've seen sales reps say "well, I retire
in spring, and I'm going to get a pretty decent pension, so I'm not talking
to any customers any more. Don't try to give me accounts, I'm not taking
any." (After some study, they realized the company's firing procedure would
take longer than it would be before he retired and got the pension, so they
gave up and paid him to stay home for six months.)
Yeah, employers suck - but so do at least *some* employees.
-s
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1997-11-12 0:00 ADA and Pascal SUCK, C,C++, and Java are the only languages you need!! John Stevens
1997-10-28 0:00 ` ADA SUCKS, C/C++/JAVA RULES!!!! John Black
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Kenneth W. Sodemann
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Kenneth W. Sodemann
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Adam Beneschan
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-10-28 0:00 ` John Bode
1997-11-03 0:00 ` vonhend
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Kenneth W. Sodemann
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Kenneth W. Sodemann
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Kenneth W. Sodemann
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Steve Ropa
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Charles R. Lyttle
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Current Ada strengths - was " Robert S. White
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Steve Ropa
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Bob Horvath
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
[not found] ` <34591453.0@news.eznet.net>
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Bob Horvath
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Kenneth W. Sodemann
1997-10-31 0:00 ` David A. Frantz
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Steve Ropa
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Steve Ropa
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Charles Hixson
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Derek A Benner
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Robert S. White
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Steve Ropa
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Kenneth W. Sodemann
1997-10-30 0:00 ` ADA work, C/C++/JAVA crashes!!!! Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-10-30 0:00 ` ADA SUCKS, C/C++/JAVA RULES!!!! Kenneth W. Sodemann
1997-12-04 0:00 ` tbb03ar
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Shayne Flint
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Dennis Weldy
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-29 0:00 ` CodeRed
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-10-28 0:00 ` John Black
1997-10-28 0:00 ` John Bode
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Dann Corbit
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Adam Beneschan
1997-10-28 0:00 ` ADA and Pascal SUCK, C,C++, and Java are the only languages you need!! John Black
1997-10-28 0:00 ` David A. Frantz
1997-10-29 0:00 ` John Black
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Mike Copeland
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-10-30 0:00 ` ADA and Pascal work, C,C++, and Java are the only lheadaches " Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-11-06 0:00 ` John Stevens
1997-11-06 0:00 ` Samuel Tardieu
1997-11-07 0:00 ` John Stevens
1997-11-06 0:00 ` Charles R. Lyttle
1997-11-07 0:00 ` John Stevens
1997-11-08 0:00 ` ADA ,Pascal, and Basic ROCK! C,C++, and Java are nothing " John Rickard
1997-11-08 0:00 ` ADA and Pascal work, C,C++, and Java are the only lheadaches " Charles R. Lyttle
1997-11-08 0:00 ` Mark Wilden
1997-11-06 0:00 ` David Weller
1997-10-30 0:00 ` ADA SUCKS, C/C++/JAVA RULES!!!! John Gluth
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Bernard J. Girardot
1997-11-04 0:00 ` Michael Stark
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Yet another stupid language war (was: ... the only languages you need!!) W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Al Christians
[not found] ` <01bce587$2efe61a0$8691440c@worldnet>
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Jerry Sams
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-11-02 0:00 ` Jerry Sams
1997-10-31 0:00 ` John Rickard
1997-11-02 0:00 ` Jerry Sams
1997-11-01 0:00 ` Yet another stupid language war (was: ... the only langu Jerry van Dijk
1997-12-05 0:00 ` Yet another stupid language war (was: ... the only languages you need!!) baddog
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Peter Seebach
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Bob Horvath
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Bob Horvath
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Ed Falis
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Peter Seebach
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Bob Horvath
1997-11-01 0:00 ` Peter Seebach
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Pat Rogers
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Peter Seebach
1997-11-01 0:00 ` Dr John Stockton
1997-11-02 0:00 ` Simon Wright
1997-11-02 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-11-03 0:00 ` Simon Wright
1997-11-03 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-11-04 0:00 ` Christopher Eltschka
1997-11-04 0:00 ` How big is an int? (was: Yet another stupid language war (was: ... the only languages you need!!)) Ted Lyngmo
1997-11-04 0:00 ` Daniel Anderson
1997-11-04 0:00 ` Marcelo Meira
1997-11-04 0:00 ` Ron Natalie
1997-11-04 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
[not found] ` <34666a87.96408197@pncnt.tecnomen.ie>
1997-11-04 0:00 ` Peter Mayne
1997-11-05 0:00 ` Dan Pop
1997-11-06 0:00 ` Boyd Roberts
1997-11-09 0:00 ` Peter Mayne
1997-11-06 0:00 ` Peter Mayne
1997-11-05 0:00 ` nospam
1997-11-05 0:00 ` Ron Natalie
[not found] ` <346a4ce9.154362161@pncnt.tecnomen.ie>
1997-11-05 0:00 ` Ulric Eriksson
1997-11-05 0:00 ` Corey Minyard
1997-11-04 0:00 ` How big is an int? Richard Stamp
1997-11-04 0:00 ` How big is an int? (was: Yet another stupid language war (was: ... the only languages you need!!)) Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-05 0:00 ` nospam
1997-11-05 0:00 ` Peter Seebach
1997-11-05 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-06 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-06 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-07 0:00 ` Dan Pop
1997-11-09 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-10 0:00 ` Dan Pop
1997-11-13 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-13 0:00 ` Dan Pop
1997-11-16 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
[not found] ` <danpop.879781536@news.cern.ch>
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Dan Pop
1997-11-13 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-13 0:00 ` Boyd Roberts
1997-11-14 0:00 ` Jos De Laender
1997-11-15 0:00 ` Christopher Green
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-11-21 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-11-21 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-23 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-11-21 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-11-21 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-11-22 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-11-21 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-11-27 0:00 ` Rakesh Malhotra
1997-11-27 0:00 ` Rakesh Malhotra
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-11-06 0:00 ` Peter Seebach
1997-11-06 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-06 0:00 ` Peter Seebach
1997-11-06 0:00 ` Dan Pop
1997-11-07 0:00 ` Mike McCarty
1997-11-07 0:00 ` Peter Seebach
1997-11-07 0:00 ` Dan Pop
1997-11-06 0:00 ` Morris M. Keesan
1997-11-09 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-10 0:00 ` Dan Pop
1997-11-05 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-06 0:00 ` James S. Rogers
1997-11-06 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-05 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-06 0:00 ` nospam
1997-11-06 0:00 ` R S Haigh
1997-11-06 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-11-07 0:00 ` Dan Pop
1997-11-07 0:00 ` Paul F. Pearson
1997-11-08 0:00 ` Dan Pop
[not found] ` <danpop..879030933@news.cern.ch>
1997-11-09 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-14 0:00 ` Morris M. Keesan
1997-11-07 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-11-07 0:00 ` Boyd Roberts
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Yet another stupid language war (was: ... the only languages you need!!) Dr E. Buxbaum
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Peter Seebach
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Timo Salmi
1997-11-01 0:00 ` Richard Curzon
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Bob Horvath
1997-11-01 0:00 ` Russ
1997-11-01 0:00 ` Ken Deboy
1997-11-01 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-01 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-11-03 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-11-04 0:00 ` Phosphor
1997-10-31 0:00 ` ADA and Pascal SUCK, C,C++, and Java are the only languages you need!! Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-11-03 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-01 0:00 ` Portability: C, C++, Ada Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-11-01 0:00 ` Peter Seebach
1997-11-05 0:00 ` ADA and Pascal SUCK, C,C++, and Java are the only languages you need!! John Stevens
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-11-01 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-01 0:00 ` Porting Experiences (was Ada and Pascal etc ) Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-11-01 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-11-03 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-11-03 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-04 0:00 ` Pat Rogers
1997-11-04 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-04 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-11-04 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-05 0:00 ` Boyd Roberts
1997-11-05 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-11-05 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-11-05 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-11-06 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-07 0:00 ` Boyd Roberts
1997-11-07 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-11-07 0:00 ` Peter Seebach
1997-11-07 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-11-07 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-11-08 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-11-08 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-08 0:00 ` Vesa Karvonen
1997-11-10 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-11-11 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-11-12 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-11-14 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Ralph Silverman
1997-11-09 0:00 ` Dennis Weldy
1997-11-10 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-11-10 0:00 ` Dennis Weldy
1997-11-12 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-11-14 0:00 ` Robert Munck
1997-11-05 0:00 ` Samuel T. Harris
1997-11-05 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-06 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-11-06 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-06 0:00 ` Paul Campbell
1997-11-07 0:00 ` Samuel T. Harris
1997-11-13 0:00 ` Steve Summit
1997-11-13 0:00 ` Samuel T. Harris
[not found] ` <63m3pt$t2d@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>
1997-11-04 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-11-05 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-11-04 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-04 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-11-04 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-05 0:00 ` Chris Brand
1997-11-05 0:00 ` Dann Corbit
1997-11-05 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-05 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-05 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-07 0:00 ` Boyd Roberts
1997-11-05 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-11-05 0:00 ` James Youngman
1997-11-05 0:00 ` Steve Summit
1997-11-05 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-03 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-11-03 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-11-01 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Porting (was ADA and Pascal etc) Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-11-02 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-03 0:00 ` Simon Wright
1997-11-04 0:00 ` Peter Seebach
1997-11-09 0:00 ` Simon Wright
1997-11-03 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-11-04 0:00 ` Mixing declarations and statements (Re: Porting (was ADA and Pascal etc)) �amonn McManus
1997-11-04 0:00 ` Peter Seebach
1997-11-04 0:00 ` Charles Hixson
1997-11-04 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-05 0:00 ` Peter Seebach
1997-11-04 0:00 ` s/w manual Nameir Ismeil
1997-11-05 0:00 ` Mixing declarations and statements (Re: Porting (was ADA and Pascal etc)) �amonn McManus
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Porting (was ADA and Pascal etc) Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-11-01 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Peter Seebach
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Matt Austern
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Peter Seebach
1997-11-01 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-01 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-11-01 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-11-01 0:00 ` Peter Seebach
1997-11-04 0:00 ` ADA and Pascal SUCK, C,C++, and Java are the only languages you need!! Rud Merriam
1997-11-05 0:00 ` John Stevens
1997-11-06 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-07 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-11-07 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-07 0:00 ` Larry Elmore
1997-11-11 0:00 ` Dr E. Buxbaum
1997-11-11 0:00 ` Russ Lyttle
1997-11-12 0:00 ` Marc Wachowitz
1997-10-29 0:00 ` ADA SUCKS, C/C++/JAVA RULES!!!! Dale Stanbrough
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Wasted words W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-10-30 0:00 ` ADA and Pascal SUCK, C,C++, and Java are the only languages you need!! Jon S Anthony
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Steve Ropa
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Shombe Kroll
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Mike Copeland
1997-10-29 0:00 ` John Black
1997-11-03 0:00 ` Olof Oberg
1997-10-29 0:00 ` John Bode
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-01 0:00 ` Gary A. Wiltshire
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Nat Pryce
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Timo Salmi
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Xu Yifeng
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Scott Baierl
1997-11-06 0:00 ` John Stevens
1997-11-06 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-06 0:00 ` William & Melissa Thornton
[not found] ` <347067B8.46@lysator.liu.se>
1997-11-18 0:00 ` English SUCKS, Chinese is the only language " Chieh Cheng
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-11-18 0:00 ` Dr E. Buxbaum
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Matt Corey
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Mike Smith
1997-11-21 0:00 ` David Weller
[not found] ` <3474B3E4.67FA@gsg.eds.com>
1997-11-21 0:00 ` Dennis Weldy
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-11-25 0:00 ` Dennis Weldy
1997-11-25 0:00 ` Peter Seebach
1997-11-25 0:00 ` Martin M Dowie
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1997-11-18 0:00 ` JCore
1997-11-21 0:00 ` Jerry Sams
[not found] ` <01bcf51b$abcea520$0200000a@kld_mcs>
1997-11-19 0:00 ` system
[not found] ` <01bcf5c3$afbda340$0200000a@kld_mcs>
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Michael Rubenstein
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Mark Wilden
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Michael Rubenstein
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Peter Seebach
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Joseph Santaniello
[not found] ` <34746A05.49AA@mWilden.com>
1997-11-20 0:00 ` system
1997-11-26 0:00 ` Frans E. Boone
1997-11-26 0:00 ` system
1997-11-27 0:00 ` Knochenhauer Bernd
1997-11-26 0:00 ` CERVANTES OJEDA, Jorge
1997-11-26 0:00 ` Kevin Edwards
1997-11-26 0:00 ` Peter Seebach
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Boyd Roberts
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Larry Elmore
1997-11-25 0:00 ` Bob Bakh
1997-11-26 0:00 ` macpar
[not found] ` <01bcf5c4$5916e8c0$0200000a@kld_mcs>
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1997-11-20 0:00 ` Mark Wilden
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Wei Jing Guo
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Boyd Roberts
1997-11-19 0:00 ` John Rickard
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Christer Gustavsson
1997-11-22 0:00 ` Ncp268
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-11-25 0:00 ` chasjt
1997-11-18 0:00 ` Davide Bionda
1997-11-18 0:00 ` Timo Salmi
1997-11-18 0:00 ` John Rickard
1997-11-18 0:00 ` Billy Chambless
1997-11-18 0:00 ` Jean-Sebastien Payette
1997-11-18 0:00 ` Dennis Weldy
1997-11-18 0:00 ` Jean-Sebastien Payette
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Dennis Weldy
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Chuck Adams
1997-11-19 0:00 ` J. W. Rider
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-11-19 0:00 ` system
1997-11-19 0:00 ` John Rickard
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Davide Bionda
1997-11-19 0:00 ` John Rickard
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Mike Smith
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Your english sucks, mine is better John Rickard
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Larry Elmore
[not found] ` <01bcf537$c96b7380$0200000a@kld_mcs>
1997-11-20 0:00 ` John Rickard
[not found] ` <652aes$63a$1@news01.micron.net>
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Dennis Weldy
1997-11-20 0:00 ` system
1997-11-23 0:00 ` Andrew Koenig
1997-11-23 0:00 ` Spaceman Spiff!
1997-11-23 0:00 ` Andrew Koenig
1997-11-23 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-11-23 0:00 ` billg
1997-11-23 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-11-23 0:00 ` billg
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Me
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Rob Eamon
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Timo Salmi
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Mark Wilden
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Matt Corey
1997-11-25 0:00 ` Leon Jones
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Larry Elmore
1997-11-25 0:00 ` billg
1997-11-29 0:00 ` Larry Elmore
1997-11-29 0:00 ` billg
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1997-11-30 0:00 ` Larry Elmore
1997-12-01 0:00 ` billg
1997-11-25 0:00 ` Larry Elmore
1997-11-25 0:00 ` billg
1997-11-26 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-11-26 0:00 ` billg
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Dennis Weldy
1997-11-24 0:00 ` billg
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Rob Eamon
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-24 0:00 ` billg
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-11-24 0:00 ` billg
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Larry Elmore
1997-11-24 0:00 ` billg
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Larry Elmore
1997-11-25 0:00 ` billg
1997-11-25 0:00 ` michael
1997-11-24 0:00 ` billg
1997-11-27 0:00 ` Paul Holden
1997-11-25 0:00 ` Dennis Weldy
1997-11-26 0:00 ` billg
1997-11-27 0:00 ` Boyd Roberts
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1997-11-28 0:00 ` Steven Read
1997-11-25 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Mark Wilden
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-11-24 0:00 ` billg
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Larry Elmore
1997-11-25 0:00 ` billg
1997-11-29 0:00 ` Larry Elmore
1997-12-01 0:00 ` billg
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Peter Seebach
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Peter Seebach
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1997-11-28 0:00 ` Your boss sucks, mine is better (was: " Billy Chambless
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1997-11-29 0:00 ` Larry Elmore
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1997-11-30 0:00 ` Larry Elmore
1997-12-02 0:00 ` Mark Wilden
1997-11-29 0:00 ` billg
1997-11-29 0:00 ` Dennis Weldy
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1997-11-27 0:00 ` Mark Wilden
1997-11-28 0:00 ` Jobs (was: " Billy Chambless
1997-11-29 0:00 ` Amy Williams
1997-12-02 0:00 ` Employment ethics (was: Your english sucks, ....) Wes Groleau
1997-12-02 0:00 ` Mark Wilden
1997-11-28 0:00 ` Your english sucks, mine is better billg
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1997-11-28 0:00 ` Peter Seebach [this message]
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1997-12-01 0:00 ` billg
1997-12-01 0:00 ` Billy Chambless
1997-12-02 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-12-02 0:00 ` wjanik
1997-12-01 0:00 ` billg
1997-11-29 0:00 ` Larry Elmore
1997-11-29 0:00 ` billg
1997-12-01 0:00 ` John English
1997-12-01 0:00 ` Larry Elmore
1997-12-04 0:00 ` Bob O
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
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1997-12-03 0:00 ` ANDREAS LEITNER
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1997-11-19 0:00 ` English SUCKS, Chinese is the only language you need!! Jean-Sebastien Payette
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1997-11-29 0:00 ` Danette & Murray Root
1997-12-02 0:00 ` Morgan Palaeo Associates
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1997-12-03 0:00 ` Matt Corey
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1997-11-19 0:00 ` Les Hazlewood
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
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1997-11-19 0:00 ` Matt Corey
1997-11-29 0:00 ` D. Ross
1997-11-29 0:00 ` Spaceman Spiff
1997-11-29 0:00 ` Mark Wilden
1997-12-02 0:00 ` William Rapp
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Boyd Roberts
1997-11-26 0:00 ` michael j tobler
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Mark Wilden
1997-12-17 0:00 ` Jeffrey George
1997-12-17 0:00 ` Mark Wilden
1997-11-27 0:00 ` Denny
1997-11-18 0:00 ` Chieh Cheng
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Gary A. Wiltshire
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1997-11-19 0:00 ` John Rickard
1997-11-21 0:00 ` Dennis Weldy
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Chieh Cheng
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Mike Smith
1997-11-19 0:00 ` John Rickard
[not found] ` <01bcf51e$35e2a0c0$0200000a@kld_mcs>
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1997-11-20 0:00 ` John Rickard
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1997-10-29 0:00 ` ADA and Pascal SUCK, C,C++, and Java are the only languages " Kaz Kylheku
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1997-11-03 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-11-01 0:00 ` Timo Salmi
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1997-10-30 0:00 ` Ada, Pascal, Eiffel and others Alan Brain
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1997-10-31 0:00 ` geldridg
1997-11-01 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-30 0:00 ` ADA and Pascal SUCK, C,C++, and Java are the only languages you need!! Dr E. Buxbaum
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1997-11-07 0:00 ` Gary A. Wiltshire
1997-11-03 0:00 ` Christopher Eltschka
1997-10-29 0:00 ` ADA SUCKS, C/C++/JAVA RULES!!!! BRIAN LANGENBERGER
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Philip Brashear
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Ed Muldoon
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Kenneth W. Sodemann
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1997-11-02 0:00 ` ADA SUCKS, C/C++/JAVA RULES!!!! Supreme
1997-11-04 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-11-04 0:00 ` Guest
1997-11-12 0:00 ` ADA and Pascal SUCK, C,C++, and Java are the only languages you need!! Samuel T. Harris
1997-11-12 0:00 ` Larry Elmore
1997-11-12 0:00 ` which languages suck Stanley R. Allen
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