From: rleif@rleif.com (Robert C. Leif)
Subject: Re: Ada 0Y plans for garbage collection?
Date: 25 Sep 2003 08:00:47 -0700
Date: 2003-09-25T15:00:49+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <657ea3e3.0309250700.3b0e5ac@posting.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: bkqt28$3v03r$1@ID-25716.news.uni-berlin.de
If this could be done, it would be extremely valuable. A major problem
with PCs is what was an information appliance was transformed into a
computer with a full blown operating system. This is exactly what the
majority of customers do NOT need. They would be much better served by
a device that could be turned on and off by a simple switch.
Parenthetically, Nick has one year from the date of publication to
apply for a US Patent. If his technology works and is new, this patent
could be very valuable. He could even license it with a clause that
requires the code to be written in Ada.
Bob Leif
Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
Email rleif@rleif.com
"Nick Roberts" <nickroberts@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:<bkqt28$3v03r$1@ID-25716.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote in message
> news:2q30nv4fain641rin9dia3onjr7ut01our@4ax.com...
>
> [re booting and sleeping]
> > Yep. Especially interesting it becomes with plug'n'play devices. You
> > have, say a USB or PCMCIA device attached, before your Windoze
> > hibernates. While it peacefully sleeps, you archly eject the hardware
> > and then wake it up! The effect might be amazing, though predictable
> > ...
> > Of course in a truly memory-mapped OS, the present concept of
> > hardware drives is out of place. One more reason for Ada OS?
>
> I think the broad scheme I would like to adopt for AdaOS would be as
> follows.
>
> Each device driver, having at least once gone through a complete hardware
> configuration procedure, would record the hardware configuration upon
> shutdown. Upon the next reboot, the device driver would reinstate this
> configuration, and would perform a quick check that the configuration still
> accords with the detectable hardware (if this check failed, the full
> configuration procedure would be activated).
>
> With a bit of care, this technique should make it possible to fully shutdown
> and then reboot very rapidly, but it would still be safe in the case of
> intervening hardware changes (which would automatically cause
> reconfiguration).
>
> I intend to design the user application software for AdaOS so that it
> (normally) remembers its important state in between the user logging off and
> back on again. This is primarily to encourage users to log off whenever they
> leave the workstation, but it also means that a user can log off, shutdown,
> reboot, and log on, and all (or most) of their work (open windows) will be
> reinstated as it was when the user logged off.
>
> I don't know why operating systems (Windows, SunOS, and Linux in my direct
> experience) are so slow at booting up, but I suspect it has a lot to do with
> device drivers intialising themselves and their hardware. If this
> initialisation can be either avoided (by the above tactics) or deferred (to
> be done in the background after the boot procedure has got the system to a
> usable stage), the user will perceive a fast boot process.
>
> If the user can shutdown and reboot quickly (within a few seconds, I
> suppose), and does not have to go through the rigmarole of closing a lot of
> programs (windows) and then restarting them, I suspect the demand for a
> 'sleep mode' would be largely obviated.
>
> If any OS is to be really secure, it must be basically reliable. I think
> Dmitry has neatly illustrated the dangers of such fundamental complications
> as sleep modes and other forms of partial shutdown. If a machine supports a
> sleep mode, I think that's okay (especially as part of an overall power
> management regime), but a full shutdown is better.
>
> However, I'm open to debate!
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Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-09-09 13:35 Ada 0Y plans for garbage collection? Jano
2003-09-09 16:24 ` Martin Krischik
2003-09-09 18:30 ` Jeffrey Carter
2003-09-10 6:55 ` olehjalmar kristensen - Sun Microsystems - Trondheim Norway
2003-09-11 15:09 ` Martin Krischik
2003-09-11 21:21 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-12 8:43 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-12 15:38 ` Martin Krischik
2003-09-15 13:33 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-16 18:04 ` Martin Krischik
2003-09-12 15:49 ` Martin Krischik
2003-09-14 19:26 ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-14 21:46 ` Berend de Boer
2003-09-14 21:58 ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-09-15 1:43 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-16 16:48 ` Jon S. Anthony
2003-09-16 21:45 ` Berend de Boer
2003-09-17 1:39 ` Jeffrey Creem
2003-09-17 3:38 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-09-17 14:14 ` Jon S. Anthony
2003-09-17 17:23 ` Gautier Write-only
2003-09-18 0:39 ` Berend de Boer
2003-09-18 16:52 ` chris
2003-09-22 15:51 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-22 16:29 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-22 16:30 ` chris
2003-09-23 9:26 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-24 1:46 ` Nick Roberts
2003-09-24 14:28 ` Maxim S. Shatskih
2003-09-24 16:01 ` Preben Randhol
2003-09-24 16:52 ` Stephane Richard
2003-09-24 17:19 ` chris
2003-09-25 17:49 ` OT " Pascal Obry
2003-09-25 19:30 ` Pascal Obry
2003-09-25 20:32 ` tmoran
2003-09-26 18:57 ` Pascal Obry
2003-09-27 0:40 ` Stephane Richard
2003-09-27 8:05 ` Preben Randhol
2003-09-27 10:01 ` chris
2003-09-24 16:33 ` Time Taken to Boot Nick Roberts
2003-09-24 20:11 ` Mark A. Biggar
2003-09-25 15:14 ` Maxim S. Shatskih
2003-09-25 17:29 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-09-25 15:00 ` Robert C. Leif [this message]
2003-09-12 17:20 ` Ada 0Y plans for garbage collection? Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-13 9:54 ` Martin Krischik
2003-09-13 20:37 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-09-15 13:33 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-09-15 21:17 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-09-14 19:10 ` Matthew Heaney
2003-09-15 6:48 ` Martin Krischik
2003-09-14 13:19 ` Matthew Heaney
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