* Permutation generator in ada library @ 2014-10-03 0:36 Stribor40 2014-10-03 4:01 ` Stribor40 ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Stribor40 @ 2014-10-03 0:36 UTC (permalink / raw) Does ada have built in function that guven integer N creates all possible permutations. I found this code http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Permutations#The_generic_package_Generic_Perm but was wondering if i can just call Ada built in function? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Permutation generator in ada library 2014-10-03 0:36 Permutation generator in ada library Stribor40 @ 2014-10-03 4:01 ` Stribor40 2014-10-03 4:34 ` AdaMagica ` (2 more replies) 2014-10-03 12:54 ` john 2014-10-03 18:50 ` jpwoodruff 2 siblings, 3 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Stribor40 @ 2014-10-03 4:01 UTC (permalink / raw) in the post above there is package that generates these permutations.... I have saved 3 files....in same order as the files are in posting Generic_Perm.ads Generic_Perm.adb Print_Perms.adb when i try to compile....gnatmake Print_Perms.adb I get error... Generic_Perm.adb:1:14: file "generic_perm.ads" not found gnatmake: "Generic_Perm.adb" compilation error What am i doing wrong? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Permutation generator in ada library 2014-10-03 4:01 ` Stribor40 @ 2014-10-03 4:34 ` AdaMagica 2014-10-03 4:47 ` Stribor40 2014-10-03 4:51 ` Stribor40 2014-10-03 4:36 ` Niklas Holsti 2014-10-03 11:00 ` Brian Drummond 2 siblings, 2 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: AdaMagica @ 2014-10-03 4:34 UTC (permalink / raw) On Friday, October 3, 2014 6:01:59 AM UTC+2, Stribor40 wrote: > Generic_Perm.ads Generic_Perm.adb Print_Perms.adb > Generic_Perm.adb:1:14: file "generic_perm.ads" not found > gnatmake: "Generic_Perm.adb" compilation error Use lower case for file names. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Permutation generator in ada library 2014-10-03 4:34 ` AdaMagica @ 2014-10-03 4:47 ` Stribor40 2014-10-03 19:32 ` Shark8 2014-10-03 4:51 ` Stribor40 1 sibling, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Stribor40 @ 2014-10-03 4:47 UTC (permalink / raw) On Friday, 3 October 2014 00:34:35 UTC-4, AdaMagica wrote: > On Friday, October 3, 2014 6:01:59 AM UTC+2, Stribor40 wrote: > > > Generic_Perm.ads Generic_Perm.adb Print_Perms.adb > > > Generic_Perm.adb:1:14: file "generic_perm.ads" not found > > > gnatmake: "Generic_Perm.adb" compilation error > > > > Use lower case for file names. ok that worked thanks.....didnt know need to be lower cases ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Permutation generator in ada library 2014-10-03 4:47 ` Stribor40 @ 2014-10-03 19:32 ` Shark8 2014-10-03 20:47 ` Simon Wright 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Shark8 @ 2014-10-03 19:32 UTC (permalink / raw) On 10/2/2014 9:47 PM, Stribor40 wrote: > On Friday, 3 October 2014 00:34:35 UTC-4, AdaMagica wrote: >> On Friday, October 3, 2014 6:01:59 AM UTC+2, Stribor40 wrote: >> >>> Generic_Perm.ads Generic_Perm.adb Print_Perms.adb >> >>> Generic_Perm.adb:1:14: file "generic_perm.ads" not found >> >>> gnatmake: "Generic_Perm.adb" compilation error >> >> >> >> Use lower case for file names. > > ok that worked thanks.....didnt know need to be lower cases > It doesn't, at least not technically. The real reason they tell you to use lowercase is that GNAT on the case-sensitive OSes can't tell if SomeThing.ads and/or something.ads is supposed to be associated with package SOMETHING. -- Incidentally, this would be a non issue in a compiler/environment that had the `83-style library. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Permutation generator in ada library 2014-10-03 19:32 ` Shark8 @ 2014-10-03 20:47 ` Simon Wright 2014-10-04 3:01 ` Shark8 2014-10-09 22:29 ` Randy Brukardt 0 siblings, 2 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Simon Wright @ 2014-10-03 20:47 UTC (permalink / raw) Shark8 <OneWingedShark@gmail.com> writes: > Incidentally, this would be a non issue in a compiler/environment that > had the 83-style library. I remember really annoying problems with DEC Ada and its library implementation. Quite easy to botch it up to the point where the solution was to wipe the lot and restart. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Permutation generator in ada library 2014-10-03 20:47 ` Simon Wright @ 2014-10-04 3:01 ` Shark8 2014-10-04 7:05 ` Simon Wright 2014-10-09 22:29 ` Randy Brukardt 1 sibling, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Shark8 @ 2014-10-04 3:01 UTC (permalink / raw) On 10/3/2014 1:47 PM, Simon Wright wrote: > Shark8 <OneWingedShark@gmail.com> writes: > >> Incidentally, this would be a non issue in a compiler/environment that >> had the 83-style library. > > I remember really annoying problems with DEC Ada and its library > implementation. Quite easy to botch it up to the point where the > solution was to wipe the lot and restart. > Really? I'd be quite interested in hearing more. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Permutation generator in ada library 2014-10-04 3:01 ` Shark8 @ 2014-10-04 7:05 ` Simon Wright 0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Simon Wright @ 2014-10-04 7:05 UTC (permalink / raw) Shark8 <OneWingedShark@gmail.com> writes: > On 10/3/2014 1:47 PM, Simon Wright wrote: >> Shark8 <OneWingedShark@gmail.com> writes: >> >>> Incidentally, this would be a non issue in a compiler/environment that >>> had the 83-style library. >> >> I remember really annoying problems with DEC Ada and its library >> implementation. Quite easy to botch it up to the point where the >> solution was to wipe the lot and restart. >> > > Really? > I'd be quite interested in hearing more. This was quite some time ago :-) Maybe saying "I remember" was a bit of an exaggeration. I recall the annoyance, but not what I did to bring it about. Sorry. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Permutation generator in ada library 2014-10-03 20:47 ` Simon Wright 2014-10-04 3:01 ` Shark8 @ 2014-10-09 22:29 ` Randy Brukardt 1 sibling, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Randy Brukardt @ 2014-10-09 22:29 UTC (permalink / raw) "Simon Wright" <simon@pushface.org> wrote in message news:lyppe8anj6.fsf@pushface.org... > Shark8 <OneWingedShark@gmail.com> writes: > >> Incidentally, this would be a non issue in a compiler/environment that >> had the 83-style library. > > I remember really annoying problems with DEC Ada and its library > implementation. Quite easy to botch it up to the point where the > solution was to wipe the lot and restart. Right, that's the problem with such schemes. The Janus/Ada project manager has similar issues occassionally (and you have to wipe it when you get a new compiler). It's easy enough to rebuild, though (and I have some ways to make it even easier on the to-do list). Randy. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Permutation generator in ada library 2014-10-03 4:34 ` AdaMagica 2014-10-03 4:47 ` Stribor40 @ 2014-10-03 4:51 ` Stribor40 2014-10-03 6:28 ` Niklas Holsti 1 sibling, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Stribor40 @ 2014-10-03 4:51 UTC (permalink / raw) Is there Ada library for this ..... Code from that link gives wrong output...lets say for 3 gives.. 1 2 3 1 3 2 2 1 3 2 3 1 3 1 2 3 2 1 3 2 1 <- this shouldnt be there?? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Permutation generator in ada library 2014-10-03 4:51 ` Stribor40 @ 2014-10-03 6:28 ` Niklas Holsti 2014-10-03 10:10 ` Stribor40 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Niklas Holsti @ 2014-10-03 6:28 UTC (permalink / raw) On 14-10-03 07:51 , Stribor40 wrote: > Is there Ada library for this ..... > > Code from that link gives wrong output...lets say for 3 gives.. > > 1 2 3 > 1 3 2 > 2 1 3 > 2 3 1 > 3 1 2 > 3 2 1 > 3 2 1 <- this shouldnt be there?? Right. The author of this program has confused herself with the "Is_Last" output parameters of the procedures, and has not documented them properly. They work differently for the two procedures: - Generic_Perm.Set_First returns Is_Last = True when the permutation it PRODUCES is the last one (that is, when N = 1). - Generic_Perm.Go_To_Next returns Is_Last = True when the permutation it is GIVEN is the last one, and it does not produce a new permutation in that case. The loop in Print_Perms consequently should have a more complex form, for example like this: Perms.Set_To_First(P, Done); Print (P); if not Done then -- There is more than one permutation, print them: loop Perms.Go_To_Next(P, Done); exit when Done; -- There was a next permutation, print it: Print(P); end loop; end if; -- Niklas Holsti Tidorum Ltd niklas holsti tidorum fi . @ . ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Permutation generator in ada library 2014-10-03 6:28 ` Niklas Holsti @ 2014-10-03 10:10 ` Stribor40 2014-10-03 11:13 ` Simon Wright 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Stribor40 @ 2014-10-03 10:10 UTC (permalink / raw) Is there Ada function for this? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Permutation generator in ada library 2014-10-03 10:10 ` Stribor40 @ 2014-10-03 11:13 ` Simon Wright 0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Simon Wright @ 2014-10-03 11:13 UTC (permalink / raw) Stribor40 <ikamzic@gmail.com> writes: > Is there Ada function for this? Well, you just found one, so obviously there is. If you mean, is there one in the standard library, then the answer is No (as you can see by checking out the online Ada Reference manual at http://www.ada-auth.org/standards/12rm/html/RM-TOC.html - look for Annex A and following). ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Permutation generator in ada library 2014-10-03 4:01 ` Stribor40 2014-10-03 4:34 ` AdaMagica @ 2014-10-03 4:36 ` Niklas Holsti 2014-10-03 4:42 ` Stribor40 2014-10-03 11:00 ` Brian Drummond 2 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Niklas Holsti @ 2014-10-03 4:36 UTC (permalink / raw) On 14-10-03 07:01 , Stribor40 wrote: > in the post above there is package that generates these permutations.... > > I have saved 3 files....in same order as the files are in posting > Generic_Perm.ads Generic_Perm.adb Print_Perms.adb > > when i try to compile....gnatmake Print_Perms.adb I get error... > > Generic_Perm.adb:1:14: file "generic_perm.ads" not found > gnatmake: "Generic_Perm.adb" compilation error > > What am i doing wrong? No idea, it should work like that, at least if you are on MS Windows, where letter case does not matter in file names. (GNAT convention is to use lower-case file names, and there is seldom reason not to follow that convention.) The error you get is really strange; when GNAT compiles Print_Perms.adb, the "with" statement for package Generic_Perm should make GNAT find and process Generic_Perm.ads before it even tries to process Generic_Perm.adb. Did you put all three files in the same folder? Are they still there? -- Niklas Holsti Tidorum Ltd niklas holsti tidorum fi . @ . ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Permutation generator in ada library 2014-10-03 4:36 ` Niklas Holsti @ 2014-10-03 4:42 ` Stribor40 0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Stribor40 @ 2014-10-03 4:42 UTC (permalink / raw) can i email you ziped folder of the 3 files? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Permutation generator in ada library 2014-10-03 4:01 ` Stribor40 2014-10-03 4:34 ` AdaMagica 2014-10-03 4:36 ` Niklas Holsti @ 2014-10-03 11:00 ` Brian Drummond 2014-10-03 16:08 ` Niklas Holsti 2 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Brian Drummond @ 2014-10-03 11:00 UTC (permalink / raw) On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 21:01:57 -0700, Stribor40 wrote: > in the post above there is package that generates these permutations.... > > I have saved 3 files....in same order as the files are in posting > Generic_Perm.ads Generic_Perm.adb Print_Perms.adb > > when i try to compile....gnatmake Print_Perms.adb I get error... > > Generic_Perm.adb:1:14: file "generic_perm.ads" not found gnatmake: > "Generic_Perm.adb" compilation error > > What am i doing wrong? Gnat for some reason lower-cases the filenames when generating them from the package names. On Linux, the filenames Generic_Perm.ads and generic_perm.ads actually refer to different files, and the second of these is apparently missing. Rename the files and all will be well (or at least better!) - Brian ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Permutation generator in ada library 2014-10-03 11:00 ` Brian Drummond @ 2014-10-03 16:08 ` Niklas Holsti 2014-10-03 16:57 ` Björn Lundin 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Niklas Holsti @ 2014-10-03 16:08 UTC (permalink / raw) On 14-10-03 14:00 , Brian Drummond wrote: > On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 21:01:57 -0700, Stribor40 wrote: > >> in the post above there is package that generates these permutations.... >> >> I have saved 3 files....in same order as the files are in posting >> Generic_Perm.ads Generic_Perm.adb Print_Perms.adb >> >> when i try to compile....gnatmake Print_Perms.adb I get error... >> >> Generic_Perm.adb:1:14: file "generic_perm.ads" not found gnatmake: >> "Generic_Perm.adb" compilation error >> >> What am i doing wrong? > > Gnat for some reason lower-cases the filenames when generating them from > the package names. The reason is IMO clear: package names are case-insensitive in Ada, so the context clauses "with PKG" and "with Pkg" refer to the same package. If you want to generate case-sensitive file names from package names, the case distinction must be suppressed, so the reasonable choices are all-upper-case or all-lower-case, with the lower-case alternative clearly preferable as few people keep their Caps-Lock on. > On Linux, the filenames Generic_Perm.ads and generic_perm.ads actually > refer to different files Yes, but the weird thing is that the error message Stribor40 quotes shows that GNAT is compiling the generic package body in Generic_Perm.adb, but cannot find the declaration in generic_perm.ads. Oh well, I understood it is working with lower-case names, so... (OMG, fiddling with this question made me realise that Mac OS-X uses, by default, case-insensitive file names, although it is otherwise Unix-type. Funny things happen, for example the command "mv -i aaa AAA" asks me if I want to "overwrite AAA? (y/n [n])" - but there is no AAA...) -- Niklas Holsti Tidorum Ltd niklas holsti tidorum fi . @ . ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Permutation generator in ada library 2014-10-03 16:08 ` Niklas Holsti @ 2014-10-03 16:57 ` Björn Lundin 0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Björn Lundin @ 2014-10-03 16:57 UTC (permalink / raw) On 2014-10-03 18:08, Niklas Holsti wrote: > > (OMG, fiddling with this question made me realise that Mac OS-X uses, by > default, case-insensitive file names, although it is otherwise > Unix-type. Funny things happen, for example the command "mv -i aaa AAA" > asks me if I want to "overwrite AAA? (y/n [n])" - but there is no AAA...) It's because they call it 'case-preserving'. But it's not really mac-os, its the file system hfs+. If you format a drive as udf (I think it's called) you get a case-sensitive file systems, even on a mac. very confusing ... -- Björn ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Permutation generator in ada library 2014-10-03 0:36 Permutation generator in ada library Stribor40 2014-10-03 4:01 ` Stribor40 @ 2014-10-03 12:54 ` john 2014-10-03 18:50 ` jpwoodruff 2 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: john @ 2014-10-03 12:54 UTC (permalink / raw) On Friday, October 3, 2014 1:36:29 AM UTC+1, Stribor40 wrote: > Does ada have built in function that guven integer N creates all possible permutations. I have a package that generates the n-th permutation but it's not online. Drop a note to john-"at"-peppermind.com if you're interested. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Permutation generator in ada library 2014-10-03 0:36 Permutation generator in ada library Stribor40 2014-10-03 4:01 ` Stribor40 2014-10-03 12:54 ` john @ 2014-10-03 18:50 ` jpwoodruff 2014-10-04 18:06 ` Dirk Craeynest 2 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: jpwoodruff @ 2014-10-03 18:50 UTC (permalink / raw) On Thursday, October 2, 2014 5:36:29 PM UTC-7, Stribor40 wrote: > Does ada have built in function that guven integer N creates all possible permutations. > > I found this code http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Permutations#The_generic_package_Generic_Perm > > but was wondering if i can just call Ada built in function? I can address the original issue about permutation-generating Ada. From my pack-rat days, I'm aware of three implementations that might serve. One is contained in the library Charles built by Matthew Heany http://home.earthlink.net/~matthewjheaney/charles/index.html His last update was in 2004. The materials are at http://charles.tigris.org/source/browse/charles/src/ -- The second is by Mats Weber. My copy carries dates to 1990. Mats Weber's Ada Component Library, version 2.0 http://mats.weber.org/ada/mw_components.html His document says Copyright (c) 1999 Mats Weber, Ch. du Grillon 10, 1007 Lausanne, Switzerland. These components were originally developed by Mats Weber at EPFL (Swiss Federal Institute of Technology, Computer Science Theory Laboratory and Software Engineering Laboratory) from 1985 to 1990 They carry the GNU General Public License -- My oldest holding is an archeological remnant from Simtel 20, built by Doug Bryan. "This software is released to the Public Domain" but I don't know where there is a public copy. I'd be happy to share with anyone interested. jpwoodruff@gmail.com -- Unit name : Permutations_Class -- Version : 1.0 -- Author : Doug Bryan -- : Computer Systems Lab -- : Stanford University -- : Stanford CA, 94305 -- DDN Address : bryan@su-sierra -- Copyright : (c) -none- -- Date created : 15 April 1985 -- Release date : 15 April 1985 -- Last update : 15 April 1985 -- Machine/System Compiled/Run on : DG MV/10000 ADE 2.2 generic type Item_Type is private; type Index_Type is (<>); type List_Type is array (Index_Type range <>) of Item_Type; package Permutations_Class is generic with procedure Process (A_Permutation : List_Type); procedure Iterate_Through_Length_Factorial_Permutations (Of_Items : List_Type); -- For an actual parameter for Of_Items of length n, n! (n factorial) -- permutations will be produced. -- The procedure permutes the elements in the array ITEMS. -- actually it permutes their indicies and re-arranges the items -- within the list. The procedure does not care of any or all -- of the items in the list are equal (the same). end Permutations_Class; John ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Permutation generator in ada library 2014-10-03 18:50 ` jpwoodruff @ 2014-10-04 18:06 ` Dirk Craeynest 2014-10-09 22:37 ` Randy Brukardt 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Dirk Craeynest @ 2014-10-04 18:06 UTC (permalink / raw) The code by Doug Bryan, that John mentions at the end of his posting, was included in the "Ada and Software Engineering Library Version 2 (ASE2)". Numerous versions of the ASE library were put together by Richard Conn, the last one in October 2000. They were typically distributed on CDROM at the time, among others at various Ada events such as ACM SIGAda and Ada-Belgium conferences. The last ASE2 version is still available on the Ada-Belgium site: ftp://ftp.cs.kuleuven.be/pub/Ada-Belgium/ase/index.htm The s.c. "asset" that includes the Permutations_Class package is at: ftp://ftp.cs.kuleuven.be/pub/Ada-Belgium/ase/support/cardcatx/csparts.htm The relevant source code is included in the files CSPARTS.SRC and CSPARTB2.SRC in the csparts.zip archive, retrievable via the above URL. Enjoy... ;-) Dirk Dirk.Craeynest@cs.kuleuven.be (for Ada-Belgium/Ada-Europe/SIGAda/WG9) *** 20th Intl.Conf.on Reliable Software Technologies - Ada-Europe'2015 *** June 22-26, 2015 **** Madrid, Spain **** http://www.ada-europe.org = Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada = Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 11:50:30 -0700 (PDT) = Subject: Re: Permutation generator in ada library = From: jpwoodruff@gmail.com = [...] = = I can address the original issue about permutation-generating Ada. = >From my pack-rat days, I'm aware of three implementations that might = serve. = [...] = = My oldest holding is an archeological remnant from Simtel 20, built by = Doug Bryan. = = "This software is released to the Public Domain" but I don't know = where there is a public copy. I'd be happy to share with anyone = interested. jpwoodruff@gmail.com = = = -- Unit name : Permutations_Class = -- Version : 1.0 = -- Author : Doug Bryan = -- : Computer Systems Lab = -- : Stanford University = -- : Stanford CA, 94305 = -- DDN Address : bryan@su-sierra = -- Copyright : (c) -none- = -- Date created : 15 April 1985 = -- Release date : 15 April 1985 = -- Last update : 15 April 1985 = -- Machine/System Compiled/Run on : DG MV/10000 ADE 2.2 = = generic = type Item_Type is private; = type Index_Type is (<>); = type List_Type is array (Index_Type range <>) of Item_Type; = package Permutations_Class is = = generic = with procedure Process (A_Permutation : List_Type); = procedure Iterate_Through_Length_Factorial_Permutations = (Of_Items : List_Type); = = -- For an actual parameter for Of_Items of length n, n! (n factorial) = -- permutations will be produced. = = -- The procedure permutes the elements in the array ITEMS. = -- actually it permutes their indicies and re-arranges the items = -- within the list. The procedure does not care of any or all = -- of the items in the list are equal (the same). = = end Permutations_Class; = = John ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Permutation generator in ada library 2014-10-04 18:06 ` Dirk Craeynest @ 2014-10-09 22:37 ` Randy Brukardt 0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Randy Brukardt @ 2014-10-09 22:37 UTC (permalink / raw) "Dirk Craeynest" <dirk@feles.cs.kuleuven.be.> wrote in message news:m0pd02$hip$1@dont-email.me... ... > The last ASE2 version is still available on the Ada-Belgium site: > ftp://ftp.cs.kuleuven.be/pub/Ada-Belgium/ase/index.htm It's also available in the AdaIC archives: http://archive.adaic.com/ase/ It seemed valuable to have multiple copies out there, so I put one up a few years ago after Richard Conn's site disappeared. I think I copied Dirk's version, so they're likely the same. Randy. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
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