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From: Maciej Sobczak <see.my.homepage@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: What's stopping you from using Ada for your next commercial project?
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 15:30:33 -0700 (PDT)
Date: 2011-03-25T15:30:33-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <613ac8c3-9989-42c4-a386-ec3c8c1e9b5c@w7g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 484648bb-e3be-47cf-9619-4c8fff8edbda@glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com

On 25 Mar, 13:36, Marco <prenom_no...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > 2. Availability of resource. This is not about people on the job
> > market that are waiting to be employed, but about people that are
> > already working for the company - are they willing to learn Ada?
>
>   No - paid professionals learn whatever language is needed.

No. This is for two reasons:

1. The notion of professional identity. People naturally attach
themselves to what they're doing and how they're doing it - they say
"I'm a Java programmer", "I'm a Python programmer", "I'm an Oracle
admin", "I'm a Windows admin", etc. By saying so, they express their
association. This notion makes it difficult to introduce new
technology in the team - especially when finding a new job is easier
than learning something new. Why on earth would anybody go through the
pain of learning anything if they can just go get another job across
the street? I can easily picture a typical Java programmer moving
elsewhere rather than learning Ada.

2. The notion of investment continuity. If somebody has already
invested let's say 5 years to learn something and become proficient in
it and gained production experience and peer respect in the given
technology, it is natural for them to continue the same path. Why on
earth would anybody choose to become a *beginner* again, which does
not look like a career progression at all?

These two reasons make it difficult to introduce Ada in an existing
working environment.

If you argue that such people are not professionals, I will disagree
in advance. I know people with this kind of attitude and I consider
them to be professionals in their respective specialties.

> > 3. Availability of reasonably robust and up to date compilers.
> > Unfortunately things are very bad for Ada in this regard - compilers
> > are either bug-ridden or outdated.
>
>   Disagree - overpriced yes but there are good number of Ada 95 vendors out there with reasonably good products - Ada 2005 is similar to the C99 situation (new features that most compiler vendors won't implement)

The analogy does not hold for two reasons:

1. The features that are not eagerly implemented in C99 are also not
eagerly expected by users, so there is no harm in keeping the status
quo. This is different in Ada, where interfaces (or complete MI) are
already overdue some 15 years, at least. They *must* work correctly,
especially when combined with other language features.

2. Ada and C99 do not belong to the same category and do not even
target the same audiences. For a better analogy you should compare Ada
with C++, as their feature sets, target systems and potential
audiences are more aligned. Ada has to compete with C++, not with C.

--
Maciej Sobczak * http://www.msobczak.com * http://www.inspirel.com



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Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-08 22:23 What's stopping you from using Ada for your next commercial project? Lucretia
2011-03-09  3:19 ` Hoàng Đình Long
2011-03-09  8:41   ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-03-09  8:58 ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-03-09 14:17   ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-09 14:21     ` localhost
2011-03-09 15:06       ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-09 15:17         ` localhost
2011-03-10 14:20     ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-03-10 14:31       ` Thomas Løcke
2011-03-10 16:01         ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-10 16:07       ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-10 17:31         ` Dirk Craeynest
2011-03-09 20:43   ` Simon Wright
2011-03-09 22:04     ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-03-10  0:38       ` Lucretia
2011-03-10  7:52         ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-03-10  8:06       ` Thomas Løcke
2011-03-10  8:26         ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2011-03-10 10:28           ` Thomas Løcke
2011-03-10 10:45           ` J-P. Rosen
2011-03-11  9:40           ` Hoàng Đình Long
2011-03-13 11:09             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-13 10:55           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-10  8:27         ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-03-10 10:35           ` Thomas Løcke
2011-03-10 11:12             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-10 12:17               ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-10 12:27               ` Thomas Løcke
2011-03-10 12:58                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-10 13:30                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-10 13:49                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-03-10 14:31                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-10 14:45                       ` Thomas Løcke
2011-03-10 15:17                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-13 11:38                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-13 11:58                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-13 12:17                           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-13 14:35                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-14  2:38                               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-14  8:43                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-10 21:11                 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-03-11  8:12                   ` Manfred Kremer
2011-03-11 12:04                     ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-03-11 22:40                       ` Randy Brukardt
2011-03-11 23:24                         ` Dan
2011-03-10 13:33           ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-03-10 17:08           ` Dirk Craeynest
2011-03-14 19:11           ` Florian Weimer
2011-03-14 21:10             ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-03-13 10:51         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-13 10:24       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-13 21:43         ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-03-13 22:04           ` Thomas Løcke
2011-03-14  0:09           ` Simon Wright
2011-03-14  2:57             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-14 16:45               ` Pascal Obry
2011-03-14 18:29               ` Simon Wright
2011-03-14 18:37             ` Florian Weimer
2011-03-14 19:43               ` Simon Wright
2011-03-14  2:53           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-13 10:29       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-13 21:48         ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-03-13 10:34       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-13 11:42         ` Simon Wright
2011-03-13 12:06           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-12 19:55     ` Florian Weimer
2011-03-25 12:36   ` Marco
2011-03-25 22:30     ` Maciej Sobczak [this message]
2011-03-26 12:00       ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-27 21:13         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-27 20:49     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-09  9:11 ` Thomas Løcke
2011-03-12 21:50   ` Lucretia
2011-03-09 10:39 ` localhost
2011-03-09 11:24   ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2011-03-09 11:38     ` localhost
2011-03-09 14:16       ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-10 10:21     ` Gerd
2011-03-10 11:27       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-10 11:49       ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-11  8:37       ` Stephen Leake
2011-03-11 12:08         ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-03-11 15:15         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-11 15:37         ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-12 20:26           ` Florian Weimer
2011-03-26 15:15         ` Gerd
2011-03-26 16:20           ` Pascal Obry
2011-03-09 11:36   ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-03-09 11:42     ` localhost
2011-03-10  2:22 ` KK6GM
2011-03-11 14:01   ` Rego
2011-03-11 15:20     ` KK6GM
2011-03-11 16:42       ` Rego
2011-03-11 18:15         ` KK6GM
2011-03-11 20:09           ` Thomas Løcke
2011-03-11 16:46       ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-14 12:18         ` jonathan
2011-03-14 14:12           ` KK6GM
2011-04-08 12:53             ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2011-03-14 18:00           ` Niklas Holsti
2011-03-12 12:47       ` Stephen Leake
2011-03-12 18:15         ` KK6GM
2011-03-13 17:55           ` Lucretia
2011-03-14  3:28             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-15  0:40               ` Lucretia
2011-03-14  3:20         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-14  3:17       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-14 12:15         ` KK6GM
2011-03-14 13:41           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-14 14:05             ` KK6GM
2011-03-14 14:38               ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-03-14 14:07             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-14 14:00           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-14 14:09             ` KK6GM
2011-03-14 14:42               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-14 17:17                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-14 17:25                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-14 20:04                     ` Simon Clubley
2011-03-14 22:12                       ` J-P. Rosen
2011-03-15 12:11                         ` Simon Clubley
2011-03-15 20:25                           ` J-P. Rosen
2011-03-15 14:55                         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-15 20:28                           ` J-P. Rosen
2011-03-15  4:10                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-14 14:39             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-10 21:35 ` Gautier write-only
2011-03-13 12:04   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
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