From: dnew@zloty.fv.com (Darren New)
Subject: Re: Separation of IF and Imp: process issue?
Date: 1997/09/10
Date: 1997-09-10T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5v72it$nhm@newshub.atmnet.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: dewar.873897013@merv
In article <dewar.873897013@merv>, Robert Dewar <dewar@merv.cs.nyu.edu> wrote:
>
>My point was that since changing the spec means you have to go talk to
>everyone concerned anyway, I don't see the advantage of putting it in
>a separate file.>>
>
>That's a very informal view of things, corresponding to a few people working
>together without any kind of formal CM. In such an environment, word of
>mouth can substitute for many things.
"Talk to" was not meant to be interpreted literally.
>Instead, there must be a very clear notion of who can change a spec, under
>what conditions, and following what procedures, and these rules must be
>embodied into the CM system, and will be quite different for specs and
>bodies.
Agreed.
>Yes, one can always imagine a CM system that is highly knowledgable about
>the particular language you are using, and does all kinds of amazing things,
>but in my experience, such speculations tend to be more in the category of
>wishful thinking than in real use.
Perhaps it's because people using Eiffel don't want to give away their
secrets? Anyway, as I've pointed out, it *is* fairly trivial to make
CVS do this. It's not worth my time to do it just to convince you it's
possible. :-) No offense intended.
>By separating the spec into a a file of its own, a CM system that is file
>based can provide many of the required procedures WITHOUT particularly
>being language knowledgeable.
And a file system based on punched cards cannot. That doesn't tell you
much about the language.
>It is remarkable to me that *no one* has responded to my request for actual
>experiences in using Eiffel in such CM systems.
Well, ISE obviously uses RCS for their revision control. I would think ISE
would want to know when they're accidentally changing the specs of the
kernel library.
>Darrien says he disagrees with the rationale, but is this based on
>experience? Darrien, have you worked with large Ada systems organized
>in this manner? My experience is that virtually all of those who have
>find this to be one of the really important advantages of Ada.
No, I haven't. I've been on several fairly large projects, but
probably none you would consider large. In every case where we were using
a language that separated specs and bodies, the rule was that the spec
was automatically generated from the body.
>I often find that people who have never used a language feature don't
>understand its utility.
I understand the utility. Perhaps if I was trying to organize a
1000-person development effort with unenhanced CVS, I'd think the
benefits outweigh the problems. However, that hasn't been my experience.
*That* is what I meant by "I understand the rationale but disagree".
Nuff said. I see little I can add to this thread.
--Darren
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1997-09-03 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
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1997-09-08 0:00 ` Darren New
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1997-09-09 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
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1997-09-13 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
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1997-09-10 0:00 ` Darren New
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1997-09-16 0:00 ` Owen Fellows
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1997-09-17 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-17 0:00 ` Franck Arnaud
1997-09-18 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-18 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-09-18 0:00 ` Juergen Schlegelmilch
1997-09-18 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-20 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-17 0:00 ` Lee Webber
1997-09-17 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-09-17 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-20 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-25 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-25 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-26 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-29 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Separation of IF and Imp: process issue? Joerg Rodemann
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-09-10 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-18 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
[not found] ` <dewar.873826268@merv>
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-09-10 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Scott Ingram
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Scott Ingram
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-08 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Matt Kennel (Remove 'NOSPAM' to reply)
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Matt Kennel (Remove 'NOSPAM' to reply)
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-07 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-08 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
[not found] ` <5u4941$9m1@gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com>
1997-09-15 0:00 ` Michael Gacsaly
[not found] ` <34026DE7.7D07@pseserv3.fw.hac.com>
[not found] ` <3402C404.56812AFB@XYZZYcalfp.com>
1997-08-27 0:00 ` A DBC experience (was Re: Design by Contract) Simon Wright
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[not found] ` <34050D8B.569F@deakin.edu.au>
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Richie Bielak
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Peter Horan
[not found] ` <bengtk-2708972209500001@sl35.modempool.kth.se>
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Design by Contract Nick Leaton
1997-08-25 0:00 ` Bertrand Meyer
[not found] ` <JSA.97Aug26151833@alexandria.organon.com>
1997-08-27 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-25 0:00 ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-25 0:00 ` Steve Stringfellow
1997-08-26 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-25 0:00 ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-13 0:00 ` Safety-critical development in Ada and Eiffel Don Harrison
1997-08-13 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-15 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-16 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-13 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-08-13 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-08-14 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-15 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-16 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-23 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-23 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-16 0:00 ` Warwick Pulley
1997-07-16 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-07-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-20 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-07-24 0:00 ` Paul M Gover
1997-07-26 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-07-28 0:00 ` Robert S. White
1997-08-09 0:00 ` Marinos J. Yannikos
1997-08-10 0:00 ` Robert S. White
1997-08-11 0:00 ` Peter Hamer
1997-08-11 0:00 ` "Paul E. Bennett"
1997-07-29 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-24 0:00 ` Joe Buck
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Warwick Pulley
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Richie Bielak
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-25 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Karel Th�nissen
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Samuel Tardieu
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Richie Bielak
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-25 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Karel Th�nissen
1997-07-24 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-24 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-24 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-29 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-29 0:00 ` Ron Kohl
1997-07-29 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-30 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-31 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-07 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-07 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-13 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-13 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-14 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-15 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-15 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-16 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-19 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-20 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-15 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-19 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-19 0:00 ` Lee Webber
1997-08-20 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-21 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-15 0:00 ` Lee Webber
1997-08-19 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-19 0:00 ` Lee Webber
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-07-24 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-24 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-25 0:00 ` Don Harrison
[not found] ` <JSA.97Jul17174044@alexandria.organon.com>
1997-07-18 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-07-18 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Warwick Pulley
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Karel Th�nissen
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-22 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-18 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-07-19 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-07-20 0:00 ` Use use type? (Was Re: Safety-critical development in Ada and Eiffel) Brian Rogoff
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-07-22 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-07-24 0:00 ` Morgan Palaeo Associates
1997-07-24 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
[not found] ` <199707251337.PAA20933@basement.replay.com>
1997-07-26 0:00 ` Karel Th�nissen
1997-08-01 0:00 ` J-P. Rosen
1997-08-01 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-08-02 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Safety-critical development in Ada and Eiffel W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-07-16 0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-07-18 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-22 0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-07-22 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-07-24 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-25 0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-07-25 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-07-11 0:00 ` Don Harrison
[not found] ` <slrn5rq1gc.che.abo@minkirri. <slrn5s1132.hf1.abo@minkirri.apana.org.au>
1997-07-08 0:00 ` Is ADA as good for graphics programming as C? (WAS: Re: Avoiding the second historic mistake) Richard Kenner
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[not found] ` <33B16CBB.417A@gdesys <slrn5rn570.j6j.abo@minkirri.apana.org.au>
1997-07-04 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
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1997-07-05 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
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