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From: dnew@zloty.fv.com (Darren New)
Subject: Re: The great Java showcase (re: 2nd historic mistake)
Date: 1997/09/05
Date: 1997-09-05T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5upf34$7nt@newshub.atmnet.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 5ue2sn$32g$2@miranda.gmrc.gecm.com


In article <5ue2sn$32g$2@miranda.gmrc.gecm.com>,
Paul Johnson <paul.johnson@gecm.com> wrote:

>I think it is quite reasonable to assert that "technical" superiority is
>a real concept, and that it is separate from market success.  Conflating
>these two concepts is dangerous.

Especially when the product being considered is a technical product
used by technical people, like a programming language or environment,
CM tools, etc. 

In these cases, I think it's often more of "how fast can I get
acceptably effective" as it is "how effective can I get in a given
time period".  These two can be quite different numbers, especially
when "acceptable effectiveness" is low enough and there's previous
experience involved.  E.g., I can be acceptably effective with K&R C
in many ways, even if spending a month learning Ada would make me 20
times as effective at the technical aspects of my job. In many cases, 
these types of decisions are made by default, or by managers also
considering the costs of tools without considering the costs of lack of
productivity from cheaper tools.

  --Darren




  parent reply	other threads:[~1997-09-05  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 112+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1997-08-29  0:00 The great Java showcase (re: 2nd historic mistake) Ell
1997-08-29  0:00 ` Brett J. Stonier
1997-08-29  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-29  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-29  0:00   ` Jay Martin
1997-08-30  0:00   ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-30  0:00     ` Jay Martin
1997-08-30  0:00   ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-01  0:00   ` Paul Johnson
1997-09-01  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-02  0:00       ` Martin Tom Brown
1997-09-02  0:00       ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-09-03  0:00         ` Robert Munck
1997-09-05  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-02  0:00       ` Jeff Kotula
1997-09-02  0:00       ` Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
1997-09-08  0:00       ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-09-13  0:00         ` Mark S. Hathaway
1997-09-16  0:00           ` Des  Kenny
1997-10-28  0:00           ` John English
1997-09-16  0:00         ` Des  Kenny
1997-09-16  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-05  0:00     ` Darren New [this message]
1997-09-02  0:00   ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-05  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-05  0:00       ` happens too often to call it historic W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-15  0:00   ` The great Java showcase (re: 2nd historic mistake) Tim Ottinger
1997-09-16  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-16  0:00     ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-18  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1997-09-17  0:00 Ell
1997-09-17  0:00 Ell
1997-09-17  0:00 Ell
1997-09-16  0:00 ` Mark Wilden
1997-09-17  0:00 ` Robert B. Love 
1997-09-17  0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-15  0:00 Ell
1997-09-16  0:00 ` Tim Ottinger
1997-09-17  0:00 ` Doc
     [not found] <97090916235363@psavax.pwfl.com>
1997-09-11  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-04  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1997-08-30  0:00 BruceMount
1997-08-29  0:00 Ell
     [not found] <5tvvsj$lh2$1@news2.digex.net>
1997-08-27  0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-27  0:00   ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-27  0:00 ` Jeff Brown
1997-08-28  0:00   ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-28  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-28  0:00 ` Brett J. Stonier
1997-08-28  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-29  0:00     ` James P. White
1997-08-29  0:00   ` Paul Johnson
1997-08-29  0:00     ` Dennis Weldy
1997-08-29  0:00     ` Brett J. Stonier
     [not found]     ` <5u6ovi$5kb$1@news2.digex.net>
1997-09-01  0:00       ` Paul Johnson
1997-08-25  0:00 Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-26  0:00 ` BruceMount
1997-08-28  0:00   ` Brett J. Stonier
     [not found]     ` <JSA.97Aug28182029@alexandria.organon.com>
     [not found]       ` <3406C150.3EE5EE0E@stratasys.com>
1997-08-29  0:00         ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-29  0:00           ` Jay Martin
1997-08-29  0:00             ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-02  0:00             ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-15  0:00       ` Tim Ottinger
     [not found]   ` <5u0nil$atg@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
1997-08-28  0:00     ` not
1997-08-28  0:00     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
     [not found]       ` <5u3o1n$hu5@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
1997-08-28  0:00         ` Nick Leaton
1997-09-15  0:00       ` Tim Ottinger
1997-09-16  0:00         ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-26  0:00 ` Flavius.Vespasianus
     [not found] ` <JSA.97Aug26153546@alexandria.organon.com>
     [not found]   ` <34034658.7DE14518@eiffel.com>
1997-08-27  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-27  0:00 ` James P. White
1997-08-27  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]   ` <34047A7D.62319AC4@eiffel.com>
1997-08-27  0:00     ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-27  0:00       ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-08-28  0:00         ` Flavius.Vespasianus
1997-08-28  0:00       ` Mike Coffin
1997-08-29  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-30  0:00           ` James P. White
1997-08-31  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-28  0:00       ` James P. White
1997-08-29  0:00       ` Dennis Weldy
1997-09-03  0:00         ` Charles Ditzel
     [not found]   ` <01bcb38a$8ddc1200$1c10d30a@ntwneil>
1997-08-28  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-28  0:00       ` James P. White
1997-08-30  0:00         ` Bert Bril
1997-08-31  0:00           ` Jay Martin
1997-08-29  0:00       ` Mike Charlton
     [not found]         ` <N.19970829.uput@sisyphus.demon.co.uk>
1997-09-02  0:00           ` Mike Charlton
1997-09-03  0:00             ` Dave Sparks
     [not found]       ` <EFn8CI.D9p@ecf.toronto.edu>
1997-08-29  0:00         ` Laurent Guerby
     [not found]           ` <EFonoz.AFC@ecf.toronto.edu>
1997-08-29  0:00             ` Samuel Mize
1997-08-29  0:00         ` Arthur Nelson
1997-08-29  0:00           ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-01  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-29  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-30  0:00           ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-31  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-01  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-02  0:00               ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-05  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-06  0:00                   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-29  0:00         ` Peter Hermann
1997-08-29  0:00       ` Lee Webber
1997-08-28  0:00     ` James P. White
1997-08-28  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-29  0:00       ` Lee Webber
     [not found] ` <3402FD4D.C196785B@brightwood.com>
1997-08-27  0:00   ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-28  0:00   ` Paul Johnson
1997-08-28  0:00     ` Jeff Brown
1997-08-28  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-29  0:00       ` Paul Johnson
1997-08-28  0:00     ` Brett J. Stonier
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