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From: herwin@osf1.gmu.edu (HARRY R. ERWIN)
Subject: Re: Is Ada likely to survive ?
Date: 1997/08/06
Date: 1997-08-06T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5sag85$9n2@portal.gmu.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: dewar.870871522@merv


Robert Dewar (dewar@merv.cs.nyu.edu) wrote:
: Marin says

: <<Well, it's probably fair to ask "What constitutes survival?" If
: one programmer at one shop is using the language once a year to
: maintain some legacy system, is that survival? Cobol used to be
: quite widely used and was the standard-issue programming language
: for business data processing. But when mainframes started to
: evaporate, Cobol kind of went with it. Oh sure, there's lots of
: folks still using Cobol, but the usage is nowhere near what it
: once was. Could this be considered a dead language? PL/1, RPG,
: >>


: The extraordinary thing is that this myth is actually believed by
: some experienced managers as well as programmers who simply don't know.

Until a week ago, I believed it, too, and then Dewar pointed me in the
right direction.  I trotted over like a good little horse, confirmed he
knew what he was talking about, and started passing the word in my little
corner of the world. 

: ---trimmed---

: It is not uncommon for people in limited environments to have extraordinarily
: curious ideas of what is going on. I often meet people in academic 
: environments who think Unix is a widely used system (an interesting
: statistic here is that OS/2, which everyone knows is a failure, has
: sold more copies than all versions of Unix in all of time).

'POSIX compliance' (read 'sorta like UNIX') is the operating system
version of the Ada mandate.  Interestingly, Windows NT is 'POSIX
compliant' to ensure that it can be bid on Govt contracts that require it,
and (IMHO) is nearly useless when it is used that way. (Is my cynicism
showing?) 

Cheers--
Harry Erwin, Internet: herwin@gmu.edu, 
Web Page: http://osf1.gmu.edu/~herwin 
PhD student in computational neuroscience (how bats echolocate)
Lecturer for CS 211 (data structures and advanced C++)
Senior Software Analyst supporting the FAA




  reply	other threads:[~1997-08-06  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1997-08-04  0:00 Is Ada likely to survive ? Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1997-08-06  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-06  0:00   ` HARRY R. ERWIN [this message]
1997-08-06  0:00     ` rodney
1997-08-10  0:00   ` Fergus Henderson
1997-08-10  0:00     ` Robert A Duff
1997-08-11  0:00     ` Jerry van Dijk
     [not found] ` <01bca387$42ffbce0$18a9f5cd@asip120>
1997-08-13  0:00   ` HARRY R. ERWIN
     [not found]     ` <3404215f.0@news.uni-ulm.de>
1997-08-27  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-13  0:00   ` Mark A Biggar
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1997-08-14  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1997-08-16  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-17  0:00   ` Jerry van Dijk
1997-08-17  0:00     ` No Spam
1997-08-19  0:00       ` John English
1997-08-19  0:00     ` Mike Stark
1997-08-27  0:00       ` Jerry van Dijk
1997-08-19  0:00     ` John English
1997-08-19  0:00   ` John English
1997-08-24  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-26  0:00       ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-08-07  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1997-08-10  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-11  0:00   ` Richard Kenner
1997-08-11  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-11  0:00 ` John English
1997-07-18  0:00 safetran
1997-07-18  0:00 ` Stanley Allen
1997-07-19  0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-07-21  0:00   ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-07-28  0:00     ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-07-29  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-29  0:00         ` dcw
1997-07-30  0:00         ` Steve Jones - JON
1997-07-30  0:00       ` HARRY R. ERWIN
1997-07-31  0:00         ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-07-31  0:00           ` Brian Rogoff
1997-08-02  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-02  0:00               ` Brian Rogoff
1997-08-03  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-31  0:00           ` HARRY R. ERWIN
1997-08-01  0:00           ` William Clodius
     [not found]             ` <5s6ng4$rq7$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au>
1997-08-07  0:00               ` Brian Rogoff
1997-08-11  0:00                 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-08-11  0:00                   ` Brian Rogoff
1997-08-01  0:00           ` William Clodius
1997-07-31  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-31  0:00           ` Brian Rogoff
1997-08-01  0:00             ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-08-03  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-05  0:00                 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-07-19  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-20  0:00   ` Paul Van Bellinghen
1997-07-21  0:00   ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-07-19  0:00 ` robin
1997-07-23  0:00   ` Valerio Bellizzomi
1997-08-01  0:00     ` robin
1997-08-02  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]         ` <5s6q6b$f3$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au>
1997-08-09  0:00           ` Ejon
1997-08-10  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-11  0:00             ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-08-17  0:00             ` robin
1997-08-17  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-22  0:00                 ` robin
     [not found]                   ` <5u3c69$5tj$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au>
1997-08-28  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-30  0:00                     ` robin
1997-09-08  0:00                       ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-09-17  0:00                         ` robin
1997-07-23  0:00   ` Adam Beneschan
1997-07-22  0:00     ` Nasser
1997-07-20  0:00 ` Odo Wolbers
1997-07-21  0:00 ` safetran
1997-07-22  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-07-22  0:00     ` Nasser
1997-07-23  0:00       ` Jon S Anthony
1997-07-27  0:00       ` jorgie
1997-07-28  0:00         ` Peter Hermann
1997-07-21  0:00 ` Anonymous
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