From: jezequel@irisa.fr (Jean-Marc Jezequel)
Subject: Re: Safety-critical development in Ada and Eiffel
Date: 1997/07/16
Date: 1997-07-16T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5qitoi$fdv$1@news.irisa.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 33CC0548.4099@flash.net
In article <33CC0548.4099@flash.net>, Ken Garlington <keg0@flash.net> writes:
>Don Harrison wrote:
>> You would use them anywhere that a piece of code makes assumptions. For example,
>> to help avoid the Ariane fiasco, include contracts in the INS(?) that specify
>> Ariane 4 dynamics. Then, in testing, you will get an assertion violation when
>> you apply Ariane 5 dynamics to it.
>
>This is why my blood pressure goes up!
>
>The _Ada_ implementation did generate an assertion violation the very
>first time Ariane 5 dynamics were applied to it. Unfortunately, the very first time
>Ariane 5 dynamics were applied to it was at LANUCH!
>They were not applied earlier, because the contractor assumed that the
>Ariane 5 dynamics were the same as the Ariane 4, so why spend the money testing
>to the same conditions already tested earlier? (They were wrong, of course, but they
>didn't know that at the time).
At the risk of repeating myself, and reopening a thread beaten to death,
the all point of design by contract (DBC) is to
make this kind of assumptions explicit. Ariane 5 is just a nice striking example
of working with assumptions that are true at a point in time (Ariane 4) and no longer
later on (Ariane 5). I think we agreed on this previously.
To sum up your point, you think that DBC, i.e. expressing hidden assumptions with
Eiffel-like assertions would not have been practicable in this case.
Others think it would have...
You seem to be a specialist in flight software. We are not. But specialists might,
from time to time, learn something from people with a broader perspective
(this is a general statement, I do not claim in particular that I have a broader
perspective than you, or anyone else for that matter;-).
Basically, our arguments failed to convinced you. Yours failed to convince us.
That's life, and I hope readers can make their mind themselves instead of
relying on the one of us who shouts louder.
>The other part of the problem was that the _response_ to the assertion
>violation was wrong. The designer assumed the assertion would occur due to a hardware
>failure, not a software requirements failure, and so the handler shut down the
>"offending" hardware, rather than attempting some other action (e.g. replacing the
>out-of-range value with a "safe" value). Frankly, I don't know that I would have written the
>handler differently myself.
Agreed, that's a different problem altogether.
>According to Meyer, et. al. Eiffel programmers would have written the
>handler differently, and also they would have known to do the testing
>differently (even though the requirements specification said that the tests need not change).
>However, their explanation as to why this is true is far from convincing (basically,
>that "Eiffel programmers believe in quality" or some such nonsense). Their "analysis"
>is also on the Web. I've asked them to post my rebuttal to their paper, but I
>don't know if they ever did.
Just for the record, I'm still waiting for your rebuttal paper to put it on my web alongside
with the Computer article.
PS: Ken's post was brought to my attention by a colleague: I don't have time to check the news
very often these days, and anyway I won't follow-up on this thread to avoid reopening the interminable
Ariane thread.
--
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1997-06-19 0:00 ` Is Ada " Jon S Anthony
1997-06-19 0:00 ` Is ADA " Steve Jones - JON
1997-06-19 0:00 ` Mukesh Prasad
1997-06-20 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-22 0:00 ` Is ADA as good for graphics programming as C? (WAS: Jerry van Dijk
1997-06-21 0:00 ` Is ADA as good for graphics programming as C? (WAS: Re: Avoiding the second historic mistake) Tim Harrison
1997-06-23 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-06-24 0:00 ` John Goodsen
1997-06-25 0:00 ` Michael Levasseur
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Chris Brand
1997-07-02 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-07-03 0:00 ` Donovan Baarda
1997-07-04 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-07-04 0:00 ` Donovan Baarda
1997-07-04 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-07-07 0:00 ` Donovan Baarda
1997-07-08 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-07-08 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-07-09 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-05 0:00 ` John Nagle
1997-07-05 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-07-07 0:00 ` Donovan Baarda
1997-07-08 0:00 ` Canada Bass
1997-07-08 0:00 ` Dale Pontius
1997-07-08 0:00 ` Martin Tom Brown
1997-07-09 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-07-10 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-07-10 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-07-11 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-07-14 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-15 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-07-15 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-07-16 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-07-18 0:00 ` Composition vs. Inheritance (was Re: Is ADA as good for graphics programming as C?) Robert I. Eachus
1997-07-19 0:00 ` Is ADA as good for graphics programming as C? (WAS: Re: Avoiding the second historic mistake) Nasser
1997-07-20 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Andrew Dunstan
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
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1997-07-20 0:00 ` Is ADA as good for graphics programming as C? Matthew Heaney
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Dennis Weldy
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Is ADA as good for graphics programming as C? (WAS: Re: Avoiding the second historic mistake) Robert C. Martin
1997-07-22 0:00 ` Relative complexity - Eiffel and Ada Don Harrison
1997-07-15 0:00 ` Is ADA as good for graphics programming as C? (WAS: Re: Avoiding the second historic mistake) Jon S Anthony
1997-07-15 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-15 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-07-15 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-07-09 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-09 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1997-07-10 0:00 ` Safety-critical development in Ada and Eiffel Don Harrison
1997-07-10 0:00 ` Mike Stark
1997-07-11 0:00 ` Donovan Baarda
1997-07-13 0:00 ` Steve Furlong
1997-07-16 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-18 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-07-18 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-07-18 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-07-18 0:00 ` John Nagle
1997-07-18 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-07-10 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-07-11 0:00 ` Robert S. White
1997-07-15 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-15 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-16 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-10 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-11 0:00 ` Ted Velkoff
1997-07-12 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-13 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-07-14 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-07-15 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-07-15 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-15 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-16 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-07-16 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-18 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-07-18 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-07-18 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
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1997-07-11 0:00 ` Don Harrison
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1997-07-11 0:00 ` Don Harrison
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1997-07-12 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-15 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-15 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
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1997-07-18 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-07-18 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-20 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-18 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
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1997-07-20 0:00 ` Bertrand Meyer
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1997-07-21 0:00 ` The presuppositions " Samuel Mize
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-22 0:00 ` Luther Hampton
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-21 0:00 ` The stupidity " Ken Garlington
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Robert S. White
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-25 0:00 ` Robert S. White
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-24 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-29 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
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1997-07-25 0:00 ` Ariane 5,Eiffel, Ada Alan Brain
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1997-07-21 0:00 ` Ian Begg
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1997-07-22 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-07-21 0:00 ` The stupidity of all the Ariane 5 analysts Ken Garlington
1997-07-31 0:00 ` Al Christians
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1997-08-01 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
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1997-07-18 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
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1997-07-18 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-18 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-22 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-25 0:00 ` Don Harrison
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1997-07-24 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-24 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-26 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-07-31 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
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1997-07-29 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-31 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-07 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-07 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-09 0:00 ` Jim Cochrane
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1997-08-12 0:00 ` Mark A Biggar
1997-08-19 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-19 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
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1997-08-19 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
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1997-08-21 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
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1997-08-21 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-08-20 0:00 ` Lee Webber
1997-08-21 0:00 ` Don Harrison
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1997-08-13 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
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1997-08-19 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
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1997-08-22 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-08-23 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-21 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-08-23 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-12 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-12 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-13 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-13 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-15 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-16 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-13 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-08-13 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-08-14 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-15 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-16 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-13 0:00 ` Ted Velkoff
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1997-08-13 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-13 0:00 ` Ted Velkoff
1997-08-14 0:00 ` Matt Austern
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1997-08-20 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
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1997-08-22 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-08-15 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-16 0:00 ` Ted Velkoff
1997-08-16 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-16 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-16 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
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1997-08-19 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
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1997-08-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-18 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-08-19 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
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1997-09-10 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
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1997-09-10 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Matt Austern
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-13 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Joerg Rodemann
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Robert S. White
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-13 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-13 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-09-04 0:00 ` John G. Volan
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1997-09-05 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
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1997-09-06 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-08 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-08 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Robert S. White
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1997-09-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-09-14 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Matt Kennel (Remove 'NOSPAM' to reply)
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1997-09-10 0:00 ` Matt Kennel (Remove 'NOSPAM' to reply)
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1997-09-01 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-01 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-03 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-05 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
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1997-09-05 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-08 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Darren New
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-07 0:00 ` Darren New
1997-09-08 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-08 0:00 ` Darren New
1997-09-08 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-09 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Robert S. White
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Darren New
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Samuel T. Harris
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Mark A Biggar
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Peter Hermann
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Darren New
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Joerg Rodemann
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Darren New
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Joerg Rodemann
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Darren New
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Matt Kennel (Remove 'NOSPAM' to reply)
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-09-13 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-10 0:00 ` news_check.py
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Owen Fellows
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Walter Mallory
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Darren New
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Joerg Rodemann
1997-09-10 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Joerg Rodemann
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Precondition Checking For Ada 0X (Was: Separation of IF and Imp: process issue?) Matthew Heaney
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-15 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Joerg Rodemann
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Roger Browne
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-09-17 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-17 0:00 ` Franck Arnaud
1997-09-18 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-18 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-09-18 0:00 ` Juergen Schlegelmilch
1997-09-18 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-20 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-17 0:00 ` Lee Webber
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Owen Fellows
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-17 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-17 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-09-20 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-25 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-25 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-26 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-29 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Separation of IF and Imp: process issue? Nick Leaton
1997-09-10 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-18 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
[not found] ` <dewar.873826268@merv>
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-09-10 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Scott Ingram
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Scott Ingram
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Matt Kennel (Remove 'NOSPAM' to reply)
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Matt Kennel (Remove 'NOSPAM' to reply)
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-07 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-08 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
[not found] ` <5u4941$9m1@gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com>
1997-09-15 0:00 ` Michael Gacsaly
[not found] ` <34026DE7.7D07@pseserv3.fw.hac.com>
[not found] ` <3402C404.56812AFB@XYZZYcalfp.com>
1997-08-27 0:00 ` A DBC experience (was Re: Design by Contract) Simon Wright
[not found] ` <5tvfdt$79g@inet-server.sit.fi>
[not found] ` <34050D8B.569F@deakin.edu.au>
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Richie Bielak
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Peter Horan
[not found] ` <bengtk-2708972209500001@sl35.modempool.kth.se>
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Design by Contract Nick Leaton
1997-08-25 0:00 ` Bertrand Meyer
[not found] ` <JSA.97Aug26151833@alexandria.organon.com>
1997-08-27 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-25 0:00 ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-25 0:00 ` Steve Stringfellow
1997-08-26 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-25 0:00 ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-12 0:00 ` Safety-critical development in Ada and Eiffel Ken Garlington
1997-08-23 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-23 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-16 0:00 ` Warwick Pulley
1997-07-16 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-07-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-20 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-07-24 0:00 ` Joe Buck
1997-07-24 0:00 ` Paul M Gover
1997-07-26 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-07-28 0:00 ` Robert S. White
1997-08-09 0:00 ` Marinos J. Yannikos
1997-08-10 0:00 ` Robert S. White
1997-08-11 0:00 ` Peter Hamer
1997-08-11 0:00 ` "Paul E. Bennett"
1997-07-29 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Warwick Pulley
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Richie Bielak
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-25 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Karel Th�nissen
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Samuel Tardieu
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Richie Bielak
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-25 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Karel Th�nissen
1997-07-24 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-24 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-24 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-29 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-29 0:00 ` Ron Kohl
1997-07-29 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-30 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-31 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-07 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-07 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-13 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-13 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-14 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-15 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-15 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-16 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-19 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-20 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-15 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-19 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-19 0:00 ` Lee Webber
1997-08-20 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-21 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-15 0:00 ` Lee Webber
1997-08-19 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-19 0:00 ` Lee Webber
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-07-24 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-24 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-25 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
[not found] ` <JSA.97Jul17174044@alexandria.organon.com>
1997-07-18 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-07-18 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Warwick Pulley
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-18 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-07-19 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-07-20 0:00 ` Use use type? (Was Re: Safety-critical development in Ada and Eiffel) Brian Rogoff
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-07-24 0:00 ` Morgan Palaeo Associates
1997-07-24 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
[not found] ` <199707251337.PAA20933@basement.replay.com>
1997-07-26 0:00 ` Karel Th�nissen
1997-08-01 0:00 ` J-P. Rosen
1997-08-01 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-08-02 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-07-22 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Safety-critical development in Ada and Eiffel W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Karel Th�nissen
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-22 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-16 0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-07-18 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-22 0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-07-22 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-07-24 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-25 0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-07-25 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
[not found] ` <slrn5rq1gc.che.abo@minkirri. <slrn5s1132.hf1.abo@minkirri.apana.org.au>
1997-07-08 0:00 ` Is ADA as good for graphics programming as C? (WAS: Re: Avoiding the second historic mistake) Richard Kenner
1997-07-08 0:00 ` Dale Pontius
[not found] ` <33B16CBB.417A@gdesys <slrn5rn570.j6j.abo@minkirri.apana.org.au>
1997-07-04 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
[not found] ` <33B16CBB <slrn5rq1gc.che.abo@minkirri.apana.org.au>
1997-07-05 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-07-17 0:00 Safety-critical development in Ada and Eiffel Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
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1997-07-18 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1997-07-18 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1997-07-22 0:00 ` Karel Th�nissen
1997-07-18 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1997-07-18 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1997-07-21 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-21 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-24 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1997-08-24 0:00 Robert Dewar
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