From: Craig Franck <clfranck@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Off topic response to an off topic message--> was:Re: Software Engineering and Dreamers
Date: 1997/06/04
Date: 1997-06-04T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5n2csg$1c6@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 33947E2F.3F1A31A7@fuller.com
"H. Blakely Williford" <blakew@fuller.com> wrote:
>Dann Corbit wrote:
>> (Vibrating Bum-Faced Goats) writes:
>> >
>> > > Mathematics exists in the mind alone.
>
>can you look at a sun rise and say this?
>
>the way the particles in the upper atmosphere refract the light?
You are not helping the cause any. Color arises from how are brains
process light, and does not exist independently of our perceiving it.
Because of this, it is clearly only in our minds even more than math
is. I think Mr. Goats point can be made clearer once you realize that
math is about symbols and how you can transform them into one another.
"2 + 2 = 4" seems to be expressing a relationship of some sort that
exists externally in nature, but what it means and how we interpret
is actually quite close to how we process langauge. You wouldn't say
English exists in nature, and is not solely the product of our brains,
just because you can point to a big leafy green thing and say "tree".
It is not like the word "tree" was laying about, just waiting to be
discovered, any more than the symbol "2" was. In this sense (and in
many others as well) math is a product of our brains.
--
Craig
clfranck@worldnet.att.net
Manchester, NH
I don't pretend to understand the universe, it is
a great deal bigger than I am. -- Thomas Carlyle
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1997-05-15 0:00 Any research putting c above ada? Jon S Anthony
1997-05-15 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-15 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
[not found] ` <01bc6189$b074f500$LocalHost@xhv46.dial.pipex.com>
1997-05-16 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-16 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-18 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1997-05-19 0:00 ` NOT about "c above ada" W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1997-05-19 0:00 ` Any research putting c above ada? Michael Norrish
1997-05-20 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-20 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-20 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-20 0:00 ` Michael Norrish
1997-05-20 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-20 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-20 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-21 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-21 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-05-22 0:00 ` Software Engineering is not a hoax... (was Re: Any research putting c above ada?) Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-22 0:00 ` Software Engineering and Dreamers Nick Roberts
1997-05-22 0:00 ` Tom Moran
1997-05-25 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-26 0:00 ` David Ray
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-24 0:00 ` jason hummel
1997-05-24 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-25 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-05-26 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-26 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-28 0:00 ` Fritz W Feuerbacher
1997-05-29 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-05-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-26 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Dann Corbit
1997-05-26 0:00 ` Fritz W Feuerbacher
1997-05-26 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-26 0:00 ` tstcroix
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-31 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1997-06-02 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-09 0:00 ` Ralph Silverman
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-28 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-27 0:00 ` system
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-28 0:00 ` Rich Miller
1997-05-28 0:00 ` Bryce Bardin
1997-05-28 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-28 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-05-29 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-05-29 0:00 ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-05-28 0:00 ` Fritz W Feuerbacher
1997-05-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-29 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-30 0:00 ` Vibrating Bum-Faced Goats
1997-05-30 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-02 0:00 ` Mathew Hendry
1997-06-03 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-06-03 0:00 ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-06-03 0:00 ` Spaceman Spiff
1997-06-03 0:00 ` John Winters
1997-06-02 0:00 ` Mathew Hendry
1997-06-03 0:00 ` Martin C. Carlisle
1997-06-08 0:00 ` Joe Charlier
1997-06-09 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1997-06-04 0:00 ` John Winters
1997-06-06 0:00 ` Volker Hetzer
1997-06-06 0:00 ` Mathew Hendry
1997-06-08 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-09 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-06-08 0:00 ` Jason Shankel
1997-06-09 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-08 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-06-09 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-09 0:00 ` SE, Dreamers, and on and on and on W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1997-06-09 0:00 ` Software Engineering and Dreamers John G. Volan
1997-06-10 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-09 0:00 ` Jonathan Guthrie
1997-06-09 0:00 ` Mathew Hendry
1997-06-11 0:00 ` Jonathan Guthrie
1997-06-11 0:00 ` Mathew Hendry
1997-06-11 0:00 ` Crocodiles [was: Re: Software Engineering and Dreamers] Anonymous
1997-06-11 0:00 ` Spam Hater
1997-06-12 0:00 ` Anonymous
1997-06-11 0:00 ` Off topic: Crocodiles Mukesh Prasad
1997-06-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-11 0:00 ` Mukesh Prasad
1997-06-12 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Software Engineering and Dreamers Nick Roberts
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1997-06-07 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-06-09 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1997-06-10 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-10 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1997-06-07 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-08 0:00 ` Mathew Hendry
1997-06-03 0:00 ` Ed Prochak - Woodland Consultants
1997-06-02 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1997-06-07 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-02 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-02 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
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1997-06-03 0:00 ` Off topic response to an off topic message--> was:Re: " H. Blakely Williford
1997-06-04 0:00 ` Craig Franck [this message]
1997-06-03 0:00 ` Spaceman Spiff
1997-06-09 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-06-09 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-09 0:00 ` Ceri Stagg
1997-06-12 0:00 ` Philip Brashear
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-06-10 0:00 ` Vibrating Bum-Faced Goats
1997-06-04 0:00 ` Vibrating Bum-Faced Goats
1997-06-04 0:00 ` �Stephen!
1997-06-05 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-06-06 0:00 ` Volker Hetzer
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1997-06-18 0:00 ` Philip Hindman
1997-06-18 0:00 ` Spam Hater
1997-06-18 0:00 ` Spaceman Spiff
1997-06-19 0:00 ` Stephan Wilms
1997-06-20 0:00 ` Spam Hater
1997-06-19 0:00 ` Mukesh Prasad
1997-06-19 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-06-18 0:00 ` Spaceman Spiff
1997-06-19 0:00 ` Steve Howard
1997-06-19 0:00 ` Anonymous
1997-06-20 0:00 ` Spam Hater
1997-06-21 0:00 ` Spaceman Spiff
1997-06-23 0:00 ` root
1997-06-22 0:00 ` Alicia Carla Longstreet
1997-06-19 0:00 ` Stephan Wilms
1997-06-24 0:00 ` David Thornley
1997-06-06 0:00 ` Fritz W Feuerbacher
1997-06-06 0:00 ` Joe Charlier
1997-06-04 0:00 ` S. Norby
1997-05-30 0:00 ` Vibrating Bum-Faced Goats
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Mark Allen Framness
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Mark Allen Framness
1997-05-24 0:00 ` Bill Anderson
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Software Engineering is not a hoax... (was Re: Any research putting c above ada?) Jeff Carter
1997-05-23 0:00 ` William M.Gordon
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-23 0:00 ` John Bode
1997-05-25 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-25 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-25 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-05-26 0:00 ` Software Engineering is not a hoax Laurent Gasser
1997-05-26 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Scott Stanchfield
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Dan Evens
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Scott Stanchfield
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Scott Stanchfield
1997-05-29 0:00 ` Dean Runzel
1997-05-29 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-30 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-30 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-05-29 0:00 ` Scott Stanchfield
1997-05-30 0:00 ` Lord Shaman
1997-05-28 0:00 ` Alan Bowler
1997-05-29 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Software Engineering is not a hoax... (was Re: Any research putting c above ada?) Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-25 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-24 0:00 ` Fritz W Feuerbacher
1997-05-24 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1997-05-24 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-12 0:00 ` Software Engineering is not a hoax Keith Shillington
1997-06-12 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-06-17 0:00 ` brucemo
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Richard Turner
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Spam Hater
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Richard Turner
1997-06-12 0:00 ` Ralph Silverman
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1997-06-13 0:00 ` Paul Mesken
1997-06-13 0:00 ` Michael Tippach
1997-05-20 0:00 ` Any research putting c above ada? Les Hazlewood
1997-05-20 0:00 ` Newsthread integrity Nick Roberts
1997-05-20 0:00 ` Any research putting c above ada? Jason A Cunningham
1997-05-21 0:00 ` Stephan Wilms
1997-05-21 0:00 ` Jason A Cunningham
1997-05-16 0:00 ` T Wheeley
1997-05-16 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
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1997-06-05 0:00 Off topic response to an off topic message--> was:Re: Software Engineering and Dreamers Jon S Anthony
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