Re: Any research putting c above ada?

[deafen@imap2.asu.edu]

Roy Grimm (ragrimm@cca.rockwell.com) wrote:

[ interesting and informative discussion of CS vs. SE snipped ]

[ I don't know who wrote this part; the attribution was previously snipped ]

: > The trouble is that most universities have a CS Department, but
: > no distinct Software Engineering department.  This is like having
: > the Physics department teach Civil Engineering, or vice versa.

: I couldn't agree with you more.  However, I think we will all have a
: battle to get the engineering colleges to admit that software
: engineering should be another course of study in their schools.  There
: are some who will agree and some who will not.  I believe that we will
: see software engineering programs implemented in time.  There are
: already some institutions which offer a software engineering "track" in
: addition to a normal program in CompSci.  (I've seen it in the
: literature for the University of Iowa's graduate program in Computer
: Science.)

Actually, ghod willing, I'll be graduating this december with a degree in
CIS (Computer Information Systems) through the College of Business at ASU. 
It's not exactly what you're describing as a software engineering track,
but it covers nearly all of the areas you describe.  Furthermore, for
geeks like me, they offer several technically-oriented electives (Unix 
Network and Systems Programming, e.g.) and several cross-program 
electives through the College of Engineering.

Some of the areas in which that I've taken courses include systems 
analysis and design, database design and management, application 
analysis, and the like; these are required courses.  Other required 
courses are standard College of Business things like uses of accounting 
information, fundamentals of finance, managerial communication, group 
communication, principles of marketing, operations and logistics 
management, and the like.  The more technical areas are things like COBOL 
(yeah, ick), C *and* C++, object-oriented analysis and design, and ESQL 
(both in C/C++ and COBOL environments).

IMHO, it's a pretty cool program, with a good balance between 
fundamentals of IT, fundamentals of business, and tech-y stuff.

So yes, these programs do exist; seek ye the CIS program in Ye Olde 
Businesse Colleje.

OBC: My final project in CIS430 was to implement an email system using 
SYSV message queues in K&R style.  No prototypes allowed.  Icky.

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