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From: Dmitry A. Kazakov <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Need advice re package organization.
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 10:38:44 +0200
Date: 2003-07-28T10:38:44+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5jn9ivoetll1fu2avn9hmjj6aaa7q7pmjn@4ax.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: M2YUa.972$XK4.65085@read1.cgocable.net

On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 18:02:08 -0400, "Warren W. Gay VE3WWG"
<ve3wwg@cogeco.ca> wrote:

>Robert I. Eachus" <rieachus@attbi.com> wrote in message news:3F22F9E9.3040307@attbi.com...
>> Warren W. Gay VE3WWG wrote:
>>
>> > [As a side note, I sometimes wonder if an enhancement to the Ada0Y
>> > language might be to be able to specify a limited visibility of a
>> > parent package's object's internals (a la not "protected" type in
>> > C++). A protected class in C++ allows derived code to mess with the
>> > internals, whereas normally the parent object's elements are a
>> > black box. Use of limited visibility helps to reduce code coupling.]
>>
>> Actually, that is what a private child package is for.  It allows you to
>> move all of the "useful" internals out of a package body to a place
>> where the body and all the child packages can access them.
>
>Actually, what I had in mind was the object visibility here (not
>package visibility). When deriving from existing tagged records, there
>is no way to limit the visibility of the parent object's members (a
>la "protected" in C++/Java). A derived object can freely mess with any
>tagged record's members, as it sees fit. Information hiding
>and reduced coupling practices suggests that this is not the safest
>route (best to use the existing parent object methods to mess with
>the "parent members").

I do not know whether there is a statistics regarding use protected
vs. private, but I think that most C++ programmers just stick to
public vs. not. Burden of decision is too heavy for many.

What I would like to have

1. multiple parents;

2. an ability to choose which members are public and which are not
(presently one needs a two-stage deriving);

3. an ability to have public read-only members with full access in the
private part;

4. a finer control over overridings (a vast theme).

---
Regards,
Dmitry Kazakov
www.dmitry-kazakov.de



  reply	other threads:[~2003-07-28  8:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-07-26 13:08 Need advice re package organization Bobby D. Bryant
2003-07-26 14:25 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-26 15:27   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-26 22:00     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-27 22:01       ` chris
2003-07-28  2:53         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-29  4:52           ` Richard Riehle
2003-07-27 22:02       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-28  8:38         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2003-07-29 17:18           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-30  8:42             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-07-30 21:00               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-30 22:46                 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-07-31 16:39                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-31 17:31                     ` Randy Brukardt
2003-07-31 21:00                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-31 22:13                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-01 12:51                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-31  5:57                 ` Matthew Heaney
2003-07-31 16:57                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-31 22:33                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-01  2:58                       ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-01 13:51                         ` Stephen Leake
2003-08-01 22:15                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-04 13:45                             ` Stephen Leake
2003-08-01 13:01                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-31  9:04                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-07-31 16:59                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-31 20:41                     ` Randy Brukardt
2003-07-31 21:15                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-01 20:04                         ` Randy Brukardt
2003-08-01 21:33                           ` Stephen Leake
2003-08-04 19:40                             ` Randy Brukardt
2003-08-04 19:52                               ` Stephen Leake
2003-08-05  3:36                   ` Richard Riehle
2003-08-05  4:03                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-05  7:16                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-07-26 17:03 ` Nick Roberts
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