From: kaz@vision.crest.nt.com (Kaz Kylheku)
Subject: Re: Any research putting c above ada?
Date: 1997/04/13
Date: 1997-04-13T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5irh5n$j88@bcrkh13.bnr.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 01bc46be$fb54cae0$3f6700cf@default
In article <01bc46be$fb54cae0$3f6700cf@default>,
Larry J. Elmore <ljelmore@montana.campus.mci.net> wrote:
>Kaz Kylheku <kaz@vision.crest.nt.com> wrote in article
><5im3an$3dv@bcrkh13.bnr.ca>...
>> I wouldn't trust my life to any computer system, especially if it had
>``Intel
>> inside''. There are too many things that can go wrong _beside_
>programming
>> errors. There is buggy hardware. There is also correct hardware which
>fails to
>> be fault tolerant. The sheer component count in a modern computer system
>is
>> astounding, as is the small size of the individual components. Would you
>trust
>> your life to a system in which an alpha particle emission can cause
>> unpredictable behavior?
>
>I take it you never fly? Nor do you live near an airport? Or have a modern
>car?
Nope. Well, I have a modern car, but it's unlikely that its computer is very
large and complex. It's probably programmed in assembly language. Also,
the car is not ``drive by wire'' even if a computer is involved. If the
computer fails, the car will not seriously malfunction or crash! At worst, it
will exhibit poor performance. Hence I'm not trusting my life to the
computer in any way.
>Actually, as far as I know, modern computerized planes are a good deal
>safer, on the whole, than they were back in the days when _everything_ was
>mechanical. I guess you wouldn't want to trust your life to any mechanical
>system, either? Especially since components _can_ fail and hidden
>manufacturing defects show up at just the wrong moment...
Actually, I would trust a mechanical system far more. There are ways to inspect
mechanical systems for signs of wear and damage due to stress. You can also
build mechanical systems to within certain tolerances; e.g. you can make a
load bearing beam twice as strong as it needs to be by making a trivial change
to its thickness.
Is there any evidence that modern computerized planes are indeed safer? If they
are, can the extra safety be directly attributed to the use of on-board
computers?
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1997-04-09 0:00 Any research putting c above ada? Konstantin B. Goldin
1997-04-10 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
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1997-04-10 0:00 ` Bob Stout
1997-04-10 0:00 ` Daniel P Hudson
1997-04-10 0:00 ` Richard Krehbiel
1997-04-10 0:00 ` Andrew Dunstan
1997-04-10 0:00 ` Philip Brashear
1997-04-10 0:00 ` CubanPete
1997-04-11 0:00 ` John Thomas Apa
1997-04-10 0:00 ` Tom Wheeley
1997-04-11 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-04-16 0:00 ` Daniel P Hudson
1997-04-17 0:00 ` Stephen Leake
1997-04-11 0:00 ` Gary W Smith
1997-04-11 0:00 ` Steve Jones - JON
[not found] ` <3359e813.340466234@news.pacificnet.net>
1997-04-11 0:00 ` James S. Rogers
1997-04-12 0:00 ` Danette & Murray Root
1997-04-12 0:00 ` Steve Summit
1997-04-12 0:00 ` Dave Wood
1997-04-13 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
[not found] ` <3373409f.494266577@news.pacificnet.net>
1997-04-13 0:00 ` Dave Wood
[not found] ` <E8pxJ0.I3s@thomsoft.com>
[not found] ` <3355E0F2.56E5@aonix.com>
1997-04-18 0:00 ` David Hanley
1997-04-20 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1997-04-14 0:00 ` Stephen Leake
1997-04-14 0:00 ` Robert S. White
1997-04-14 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-15 0:00 ` Robert S. White
[not found] ` <5ivtcu$puv@huron.eel.ufl.edu>
1997-04-16 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-16 0:00 ` Byron
1997-04-16 0:00 ` John Winters
[not found] ` <5j31dt$o3j@huron.eel.ufl.edu>
1997-04-17 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-18 0:00 ` David Thornley
[not found] ` <338a1835.439086993@news.pacificnet.net>
1997-04-25 0:00 ` Alan Bowler
[not found] ` <01bc4da9$75237100$f4f582c1@xhv46.dial.pipex.com>
1997-04-21 0:00 ` Daniel P Hudson
1997-04-21 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-04-14 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-12 0:00 ` David Weller
1997-04-13 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-27 0:00 ` Richard Riehle
1997-04-29 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-30 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-04-30 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-01 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-03 0:00 ` Student responsability (Was: Any research putting c above ada?) Laurent Gasser
1997-05-03 0:00 ` John Bode
1997-05-05 0:00 ` Steven Huang
1997-05-05 0:00 ` Any research putting c above ada? John Apa
1997-05-06 0:00 ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-06 0:00 ` Roy Grimm
1997-05-07 0:00 ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-07 0:00 ` Roy Grimm
1997-05-07 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-08 0:00 ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-08 0:00 ` Roy Grimm
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1997-05-09 0:00 ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-10 0:00 ` Dan Shea
1997-05-11 0:00 ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-07 0:00 ` John Apa
1997-05-08 0:00 ` Roy Grimm
1997-05-08 0:00 ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-10 0:00 ` John Apa
1997-05-11 0:00 ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-14 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1997-05-08 0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-05-07 0:00 ` Adam Beneschan
1997-05-09 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-05-09 0:00 ` Larry Weiss
1997-05-11 0:00 ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-11 0:00 ` Jay Martin
1997-05-12 0:00 ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-12 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-14 0:00 ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-12 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-05-12 0:00 ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-13 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-05-13 0:00 ` Jonathan Guthrie
1997-05-14 0:00 ` Mathew Hendry
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1997-05-13 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
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1997-05-15 0:00 ` Ray Blaak
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1997-05-06 0:00 ` Kevin Cline
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