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From: Dmitry A. Kazakov <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: abstract sub programs overriding
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 15:49:45 +0100
Date: 2004-03-09T15:49:45+01:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5cmr40t76va200betf07b7bd6er05ltto9@4ax.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1078839257.157439@master.nyc.kbcfp.com

On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 08:34:03 -0500, Hyman Rosen <hyrosen@mail.com>
wrote:

>Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
>> Yes, this is because C++ OO model is inconsistent.
>
>This is literally true, if by consistent you mean "objects have the same
>type from the start of construction to the end of destruction".
>
>> Nothing may change the object type
>
>Obviously this is not a fixed law of nature,

Well, it is a philosophical question... (:-))

>but merely a choice. C++ has chosen otherwise.

>> otherwise artifacts will inevitable show this or that way.
>
>The artifacts that show up in the C++ model is that abstract methods may
>be invoked by dispatching. The artifact that is avoided by the C++ model
>is that methods are never invoked on unconstructed objects.

The problem is that to construct an object (A) /= to construct the
dispatching table of its methods (B). C++ choice is very close to: A
implies B. Obviously it is a bad choice from many points of view. One
of them is safety, as the case shows.

>It's a perfectly
>reasonable tradeoff, since detecting dispatch to abstract methods is trivially
>easy. It's the job of constructors to make an object consistent.

True, but in practice it is difficult to view object construction /
destruction as monolitic or error free. I think that probably two
stage construction is needed. The first one for type specific
construction, the second for class-wide one (at least to have
dispatching in constructors)

>Other methods
>should never have to worry that they're being called with inconsistent state.

--
Regards,
Dmitry Kazakov
www.dmitry-kazakov.de
--
Regards,
Dmitry Kazakov
www.dmitry-kazakov.de



  reply	other threads:[~2004-03-09 14:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-03-02 19:01 abstract sub programs overriding Evangelista Sami
2004-03-03  1:43 ` Stephen Leake
2004-03-05 15:02   ` Evangelista Sami
2004-03-05 16:15     ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-03-08 18:54       ` Adam Beneschan
2004-03-08 23:42         ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-03-05 16:26     ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-03-06  9:31       ` Simon Wright
2004-03-06 15:18         ` Evangelista Sami
2004-03-06 19:09           ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-03-07 12:35             ` Simon Wright
2004-03-07 13:39               ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-03-08 19:08               ` Adam Beneschan
2004-03-08 20:03                 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-03-09  8:51                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-03-09 13:34                     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-03-09 14:49                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2004-03-09 15:14                         ` Hyman Rosen
2004-03-09 15:56                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-03-09 16:32                             ` Hyman Rosen
2004-03-10  9:32                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-03-10 13:08                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-03-10 14:58                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-03-10 16:00                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-03-10 18:07                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-03-10 20:04                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2004-03-11  2:43                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-03-11 13:55                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2004-03-12 23:02                                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-03-14 21:33                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-03-15  5:59                                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-03-15 14:39                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-03-16 16:16                                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-03-16 16:51                                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2004-03-16 19:54                                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2004-03-16 23:16                                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2004-03-17  1:54                                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-03-16 23:14                                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2004-03-17  2:43                                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-03-17 17:40                                                             ` Randy Brukardt
2004-03-18  2:39                                                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-03-18  5:57                                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-03-18 15:03                                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-03-18 20:32                                                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2004-03-19  3:59                                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-03-19 19:37                                                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2004-03-16  6:00                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2004-03-11 10:09                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-03-11 14:10                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-03-11 14:59                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-03-11 15:40                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2004-03-11 16:28                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-03-11 17:26                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2004-03-12  8:53                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-03-12 13:09                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-03-12 14:00                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-03-12 14:56                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-03-12 18:19                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-03-12 18:34                                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2004-03-12 20:05                                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-03-13 10:12                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-03-12 18:07                                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-03-10 15:51                 ` Evangelista Sami
2004-03-11  1:38                   ` Dan Eilers
2004-03-06 23:20     ` Dan Eilers
2004-03-03 12:00 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-03-13  7:51 ` Simon Wright
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