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From: Paul_Gover@uk.ibm.com
Subject: Re: Interesting but sensitive topic to discuss (HELP: - OOP and CASE tools)
Date: 1996/11/08
Date: 1996-11-08T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55v177$ufo@grimsel.zurich.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 328109CD.6685@concentric.net


In <328109CD.6685@concentric.net>, Alan Lovejoy <alovejoy@concentric.net> writes:
> ...
>The architecture and design of a program is a function of what **objects** it contains and 
>how they interact.  What classes these objects may or may not be instances of is a separate 
>issue--a fact which becomes obvious in a Self program, for example.  What matters is the
>**interface** supported by each object, and the **role** each object plays in the program.
>Note that two objects may support the same interface, but be instances of different
>classes and/or play different roles.
>
>Class inheritance is an abstraction mechanism for code sharing.  It has nothing much to do 
>with architecture or design of a program.  Proof: any program using class inheritance can
>easily be converted into a completely equivalent program where all the leaf classes are root
>classes: one simply duplicates all the inherited methods in each leaf class. 
> ...

Alan, If you restrict your statements above to "architecture" or "analysis" I'd be in
complete agreement.  However, I disagree when it comes to design; this might be a
difference in our view of where to separate design from coding.  My view is that design
includes implementation detail such as inheritance.  I most certainly consider that
"OO development methods" should address it.

I think from your statement about converting to equivalent programs indicates you
consider implementation to be outside the scope of the design (since you describe two
different implementations for the same design); in that case, do you think that
questions of inheritance and so forth are not part of the development method?
I think this is dangerous; in your example, the coverted program has large amounts of
duplicated code, so making changes is harder because the programmer has to find all
occurrences of the duplicated code, and we have lost one of the benefits of OO.

Paul Gover
IBM Warwick Development Group
Mumbling for myself, not IBM




  parent reply	other threads:[~1996-11-08  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1996-11-06  0:00 Interesting but sensitive topic to discuss (HELP: - OOP and CASE tools) Dong Oh Kim
1996-11-06  0:00 ` Paul_Gover
1996-11-06  0:00   ` Alan Lovejoy
1996-11-07  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-11-10  0:00       ` drs
1996-11-12  0:00         ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-11-10  0:00       ` Vlastimil Adamovsky
1996-11-11  0:00         ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-11-11  0:00           ` Anthony Menio
1996-11-18  0:00             ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-11-20  0:00               ` Anthony Menio
1996-11-27  0:00                 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-11-12  0:00           ` Anthony Menio
1996-11-18  0:00             ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-11-19  0:00               ` Anthony Menio
1996-11-27  0:00                 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-11-11  0:00       ` Daniel Drasin
1996-11-12  0:00         ` Anthony Menio
1996-11-08  0:00     ` Paul_Gover [this message]
1996-11-08  0:00       ` Ell
1996-11-08  0:00         ` Alan Lovejoy
1996-11-13  0:00           ` Ell
1996-11-08  0:00       ` Alan Lovejoy
     [not found]         ` <6KZQfjK-3RB@herold.franken.de>
1996-11-10  0:00           ` Interesting but sensitive topic to discuss (HELP: - OOP and CASE t Chris
1996-11-10  0:00             ` Vlastimil Adamovsky
1996-11-11  0:00         ` Interesting but sensitive topic to discuss (HELP: - OOP and CASE tools) Bill Gooch
1996-11-12  0:00           ` Alan Lovejoy
1996-11-13  0:00             ` Nick Thurn
1996-11-13  0:00             ` Ell
1996-11-14  0:00             ` Bill Gooch
1996-11-19  0:00               ` Tim Ottinger
1996-11-12  0:00           ` Jan Steinman
1996-11-12  0:00             ` Alan Lovejoy
1996-11-13  0:00               ` Nick Thurn
1996-11-13  0:00                 ` Alan Lovejoy
1996-11-14  0:00                   ` Nick Thurn
1996-11-10  0:00       ` vlad
1996-11-12  0:00     ` Robert C. Martin
1996-11-12  0:00       ` Alan Lovejoy
1996-11-14  0:00         ` David N. Smith
1996-11-14  0:00           ` Bill Gooch
1996-11-20  0:00         ` Robert C. Martin
1996-11-20  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-20  0:00           ` Michael Malak
1996-11-20  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-26  0:00           ` Tucker Taft
1996-12-03  0:00             ` Robert C. Martin
1996-12-08  0:00               ` Tucker Taft
1996-11-06  0:00   ` Jan Steinman
1996-11-07  0:00     ` Paul_Gover
1996-11-12  0:00     ` Robert C. Martin
1996-11-12  0:00       ` Alan Lovejoy
1996-11-12  0:00       ` Snowball
1996-11-15  0:00         ` Soren Skogstad Nielsen
1996-11-28  0:00         ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-11-28  0:00         ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-11-06  0:00   ` Snowball
1996-11-13  0:00     ` Peter Pflaum
1996-11-13  0:00       ` David N. Smith
1996-11-07  0:00 ` Interesting but sensitive topic to discuss (HELP: - OOP and CASE t Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-08  0:00   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-11-09  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-11-13  0:00       ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-11-27  0:00         ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-11-08  0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-12  0:00   ` Alaric B. Williams
1996-11-13  0:00   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-11-08  0:00 ` Nick Thurn
1996-11-08  0:00   ` Alan Lovejoy
1996-11-11  0:00     ` Nick Thurn
1996-11-11  0:00       ` Paul_Gover
1996-11-11  0:00         ` Anthony Menio
1996-11-11  0:00         ` Interesting but sensitive topic to discuss (HELP: - OOP and CASE tools) David N. Smith
1996-11-12  0:00           ` Anthony Menio
1996-11-08  0:00 ` Interesting but sensitive topic to discuss (HELP: - OOP and CASE t Jon S Anthony
1996-11-08  0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1996-11-11  0:00 ` Interesting but sensitive topic to discuss (HELP: - OOP and CASE tools) Cesar A. Gonzalez Perez
1996-11-12  0:00 ` Interesting but sensitive topic to discuss (HELP: - OOP and CASE t Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-20  0:00   ` Piercarlo Grandi
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