* objectada for GREAT programs ? @ 1996-10-23 0:00 Walter Leidenfrost 1996-10-24 0:00 ` Kevin Radke 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Walter Leidenfrost @ 1996-10-23 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Are there any experiences with Objectada for winNT, as far as handling of real HUGE sources (all in all approx. 7MB) are concerned ? Compilation times, etc ? ThanX for any tips, Walter Leidenfrost (Alcatel Austria) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: objectada for GREAT programs ? 1996-10-23 0:00 objectada for GREAT programs ? Walter Leidenfrost @ 1996-10-24 0:00 ` Kevin Radke 1996-10-25 0:00 ` Robert A Duff 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Kevin Radke @ 1996-10-24 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <326E457E.41C67EA6@aut.alcatel.at>, Walter Leidenfrost <leidenfr@aut.alcatel.at> wrote: > Are there any experiences with Objectada for winNT, > as far as handling of real HUGE sources (all in all approx. 7MB) are > concerned ? Compilation times, etc ? I (re)compile 200k+ lines of code on a regular basis. Code alone is at least 20Mb, with the largest executable almost 10meg in size. Total build directory size is well over 200Mb. The whole thing usually takes around 2.5 hours to build from scratch on a P120 with 32Mb of memory. Would do better with more memory and a fast SCSI drive instead of IDE... Kevin -- /\/\Under Construction/\/\ kmradke@inav.net ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: objectada for GREAT programs ? 1996-10-24 0:00 ` Kevin Radke @ 1996-10-25 0:00 ` Robert A Duff 1996-10-26 0:00 ` Kevin Radke 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Robert A Duff @ 1996-10-25 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <kmradke-2410961946480001@dip22.inav.net>, Kevin Radke <kmradke@inav.net> wrote: >I (re)compile 200k+ lines of code on a regular basis. Code alone is >at least 20Mb, with the largest executable almost 10meg in size. Are you saying your source code is 200K lines, and 20Mb? That's an average of 100 characters per line. Most Ada code I've seen is around 30 characters per line, on average. Am I misunderstanding your figures? Or is there a typo somewhere there? >... Total >build directory size is well over 200Mb. The whole thing usually >takes around 2.5 hours to build from scratch on a P120 >with 32Mb of memory. Would do better with more memory and >a fast SCSI drive instead of IDE... - Bob ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: objectada for GREAT programs ? 1996-10-25 0:00 ` Robert A Duff @ 1996-10-26 0:00 ` Kevin Radke 1996-10-28 0:00 ` objectada for GREAT programs ? - SLOC phys vs logical? Robert S. White 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Kevin Radke @ 1996-10-26 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <Dzu7H9.323@world.std.com>, bobduff@world.std.com (Robert A Duff) wrote: > In article <kmradke-2410961946480001@dip22.inav.net>, > Kevin Radke <kmradke@inav.net> wrote: > >I (re)compile 200k+ lines of code on a regular basis. Code alone is > >at least 20Mb, with the largest executable almost 10meg in size. > > Are you saying your source code is 200K lines, and 20Mb? That's an > average of 100 characters per line. Most Ada code I've seen is around > 30 characters per line, on average. Am I misunderstanding your figures? > Or is there a typo somewhere there? I suppose confusion of terminology. My lines of code does NOT count comments, and this code is HEAVILY commented. The actual lines of code counting comments is at least double the original amount. (The 20Mb is a rough guess too. That includes some extra junk that isn't truely ada source.) Kevin -- /\/\Under Construction/\/\ kmradke@inav.net ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: objectada for GREAT programs ? - SLOC phys vs logical? 1996-10-26 0:00 ` Kevin Radke @ 1996-10-28 0:00 ` Robert S. White 1996-10-28 0:00 ` David Weller 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Robert S. White @ 1996-10-28 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <kmradke-2610961017440001@dip24.inav.net>, kmradke@inav.net says... ...snip... >I suppose confusion of terminology. My lines of code does NOT count >comments, and this code is HEAVILY commented. The actual lines of >code counting comments is at least double the original amount. Come on! This seems like a perfect troll to get into a long thread about physical SLOC (ugh!) versus logical SLOC (yah!) software metic data collection/effort estimating. Sigh...it seems that the OFFICIAL channels have dictated that physical SLOC be used. When I and most of my co-workers estimate a software task, a mental image of the amount of logical SLOC comes to mind. Now if we only had a HUGE database of physical SLOC metrics for EXACTLY similar tasks to drawn on... But SEI/CMM practices will make this better eventually...hope...hope... _______________________________________________________________________ Robert S. White -- an embedded sys software engineer WhiteR@CRPL.Cedar-Rapids.lib.IA.US --long/cheap alternate I-net address ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: objectada for GREAT programs ? - SLOC phys vs logical? 1996-10-28 0:00 ` objectada for GREAT programs ? - SLOC phys vs logical? Robert S. White @ 1996-10-28 0:00 ` David Weller 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: David Weller @ 1996-10-28 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <551f60$rig@flood.weeg.uiowa.edu>, Robert S. White <WhiteR@CRPL.Cedar-Rapids.lib.IA.US> wrote: >In article <kmradke-2610961017440001@dip24.inav.net>, kmradke@inav.net says... >...snip... >>I suppose confusion of terminology. My lines of code does NOT count >>comments, and this code is HEAVILY commented. The actual lines of >>code counting comments is at least double the original amount. > > Come on! This seems like a perfect troll to get into a long thread >about physical SLOC (ugh!) versus logical SLOC (yah!) software metic >data collection/effort estimating. Sigh...it seems that the OFFICIAL >channels have dictated that physical SLOC be used. When I and most of my >co-workers estimate a software task, a mental image of the amount of >logical SLOC comes to mind. Now if we only had a HUGE database of >physical SLOC metrics for EXACTLY similar tasks to drawn on... > > But SEI/CMM practices will make this better eventually...hope...hope... Just don't hope it's done the NASA way. On the Space Station program, they've managed to micromanage the definition of SLOC into about 20 different definitions, each one sensitive to the exact context in a given time (meaning you can call it one thing if you're a programmer, and another thing if you're an accountant). It's an absolute nightmare when you get into the realm of using SLOCs as a cost-estimation method (and if you decide to follow up this thread, PLEASE post to comp.software-eng). Of course, using physical lines, IMHO, gives a very good rough-order-of-magnitude feel for what you'll be dealing with. In any case, you must still understand the project development rules (do you have to wade through 20 pages of comments embedded by the trusty CM system that explains exactly who touched it?), the writing pattern of the author (do they follow common style? Is their background more likely to yield Fortran-looking code? etc), and the given complexity of the module (a real time scheduler, or a 3-d coordinate conversion system, mayhave a higher complexity density than, say, a program that declares edit fields for string processing). Of course, it would also appear I'm going to be guilty of perpetuating this thread in an inappropriate newsgroup :-) -- Visit the Ada 95 Booch Components Homepage: www.ocsystems.com/booch This is not your father's Ada -- www.adahome.com <== Note new URL! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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