From: rav@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au (robin)
Subject: Re: Ariane 5 failure
Date: 1996/10/23
Date: 1996-10-23T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <54jv79$gtv$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 326506D2.1E40@lmtas.lmco.com
Ken Garlington <garlingtonke@lmtas.lmco.com> writes:
>Matthew Heaney wrote:
>>
>> As you stated, exceptions are only a tool. They don't replace the need for
>> (mental) reasoning about the correctness of my program, nor should they be
>> used to guard against sloppy programming. Exceptions don't correct the
>> problem for you, but at least they let you know that a problem exists.
>>
>> And in spite of all the efforts of the Ariane 5 developers, a problem did
>> exist, significant enough to cause mission failure. Don't you think an
>> exception was justified in this case?
>Not necessarily. Keep in mind that an exception _was_ raised -- a predefined
>exception (Operand_Error according to the report). There was sufficient telemetry
>to determine where the error occured (obviously, otherwise we wouldn't know what
>happened!). If the real Ariane 5 trajectory had been tested in an integrated
>laboratory enviroment, then (assuming the environment was realistic enough to
>trigger the problem), the fault would have been seen (and presumably analyzed and
>fixed) prior to launch. So, the issue is not the addition of a user-defined
>exception to find the error -- the issue is the addition of a new exception
>_handler_ to _recover_ from the error in flight.
---The issue was not the addition of a new exception handler.
The issue was that a magnitude check should have been
performed on a conversion from double precision floating
point to 16-bit integer, but it wasn't.
Of course, having an exceptin handler for this specific purpose
would have helped, and should have been included as a fallback.
>Assuming that a new exception _handler_ had been added, then it _might_ have made
>a difference.
You can be absolutely certain that it would have helped.
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Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
1996-10-01 0:00 Ariane 5 failure Marin David Condic, 407.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1996-10-02 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1996-10-04 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-10-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-06 0:00 ` Keith Thompson
1996-10-08 0:00 ` Bullet-Proof or Bullet-Resistant (Was Ariane 5 failure) Alan Brain
1996-10-10 0:00 ` Ariane 5 failure Ken Garlington
1996-10-14 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1996-10-15 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-16 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-10-18 0:00 ` Keith Thompson
1996-10-18 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-10-18 0:00 ` Samuel T. Harris
1996-10-21 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-10-23 0:00 ` robin [this message]
1996-10-02 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-10-02 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1996-10-31 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1996-10-28 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1996-10-28 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1996-10-29 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-11-08 0:00 ` robin
1996-10-21 0:00 Marin David Condic, 407.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1996-10-22 0:00 ` Adam Beneschan
1996-10-16 0:00 Marin David Condic, 407.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1996-10-18 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-10-19 0:00 ` Frank Manning
1996-10-21 0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-10-14 0:00 Marin David Condic, 407.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1996-10-15 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-10-15 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-16 0:00 ` Michael F Brenner
1996-10-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-23 0:00 ` robin
1996-10-03 0:00 Marin David Condic, 407.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1996-10-03 0:00 Marin David Condic, 407.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1996-10-03 0:00 Marin David Condic, 407.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1996-10-01 0:00 Marin David Condic, 407.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1996-10-02 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-10-01 0:00 Marin David Condic, 407.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1996-10-02 0:00 ` Alan Brain
1996-10-02 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-10-02 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1996-10-04 0:00 ` Robert S. White
1996-10-05 0:00 ` Alan Brain
1996-10-06 0:00 ` Robert S. White
1996-10-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-03 0:00 ` Alan Brain
1996-10-04 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
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1996-09-25 0:00 ` @@ robin
1996-09-25 0:00 ` Michel OLAGNON
1996-09-25 0:00 ` Byron Kauffman
1996-09-25 0:00 ` A. Grant
1996-09-25 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-09-26 0:00 ` Byron Kauffman
1996-09-27 0:00 ` A. Grant
1996-09-26 0:00 ` Sandy McPherson
1996-09-25 0:00 ` Chris Morgan
1996-09-25 0:00 ` Bob Kitzberger
1996-09-26 0:00 ` Ronald Kunne
1996-09-26 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1996-09-27 0:00 ` Ronald Kunne
1996-09-27 0:00 ` Lawrence Foard
1996-10-04 0:00 ` @@ robin
1996-09-28 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-09-28 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-09-29 0:00 ` Alan Brain
1996-09-29 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1996-09-30 0:00 ` Wayne L. Beavers
1996-10-01 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-10-01 0:00 ` Wayne L. Beavers
1996-10-01 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-10-02 0:00 ` Sandy McPherson
1996-10-03 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-10-01 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-09-27 0:00 ` Wayne Hayes
1996-09-27 0:00 ` Richard Pattis
1996-09-29 0:00 ` Chris McKnight
1996-09-29 0:00 ` Alan Brain
1996-09-29 0:00 ` Dann Corbit
1996-10-01 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-09-28 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-09-27 0:00 ` Alan Brain
1996-09-28 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-09-27 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-09-29 0:00 ` Louis K. Scheffer
1996-09-27 0:00 ` John McCabe
1996-10-01 0:00 ` Michael Dworetsky
1996-10-04 0:00 ` Steve Bell
1996-10-07 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-10-09 0:00 ` @@ robin
1996-10-09 0:00 ` Steve O'Neill
1996-10-12 0:00 ` Alan Brain
1996-10-04 0:00 ` @@ robin
1996-10-04 0:00 ` Joseph C Williams
1996-10-06 0:00 ` Wayne Hayes
1996-10-04 0:00 ` Michel OLAGNON
1996-10-09 0:00 ` @@ robin
1996-10-17 0:00 ` Ralf Tilch
1996-10-17 0:00 ` Ravi Sundaram
1996-10-22 0:00 ` shmuel
1996-10-22 0:00 ` Jim Carr
1996-10-24 0:00 ` hayim
1996-10-25 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-10-25 0:00 ` Michel OLAGNON
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