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From: already5chosen@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Could you write a BSD like os in ADA?
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 09:37:21 -0700 (PDT)
Date: 2016-08-24T09:37:21-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <54cb43d2-3879-49da-a0cc-3b056c385cd5@googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <npkftc$qf$1@gioia.aioe.org>

On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 6:53:19 PM UTC+3, Bob Broderbund wrote:
> On 2016-08-24, already5chosen@yahoo.com <already5chosen@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 6:15:09 PM UTC+3, Bob Broderbund wrote:
> >> On 2016-08-23, already5chosen@yahoo.com <already5chosen@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > On Monday, August 22, 2016 at 12:49:07 PM UTC+3, Bob Broderbund wrote:
> >> >> On 2016-08-22, Dmitry A. Kazakov <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote:
> >> >> > On 22/08/2016 07:01, J-P. Rosen wrote:
> >> >> >> Le 22/08/2016 ?? 02:18, Andrew Shvets a ??crit :
> >> >> >>> What would you consider to be a well designed operating system?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> VMS! :-)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Yes, VMS was likely the best OS ever.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Close.. try another permutation of the same letters!
> >> >> 
> >> >> Hint: it's the oldest OS still in development and production, and processes
> >> >> 95% or more of the world's financial transactions.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > IBM MVS/zOS is ~42 y.o. It is certainly not the oldest OS still in
> >> > development and production.
> >> 
> >> MVS started in 1964. That's 52 years, not 42. Bad day to play hooky from
> >> math class?
> >
> > No, you had a bad day in history class.
> > MVS first shipped in 1974 as OS/VS2 Release 2.
> 
> Oh, I see. You want to play word games.
>

It's not word games. I fully recognize that "OS/VS2 Release 2" *was* a MVS despite not being called so. But "OS/VS2 Release 1" is not a MVS, because it lacks a main feature of MVS - multiple virtual address spaces.

> OS/360 developed into MVS which developed into MVS/XA which developed into
> MVS/ESA which developed into OS/390 which developed into z/OS. It's the
> evolution of the same OS, it's all upward compatible. It's so upward
> compatible you can run object code from OS/360 on today's latest version of
> z/OS.
> 
> Since you failed your computer history class you didn't know that MVS people
> use MVS as a generic name for _all_ these OSs unless we have a reason not
> to. Most of the time we just call it MVS. So does IBM.
> 
> Bob, who started working on MVS in 1975 after MVS was already 11 years old.

Well, I can't compete with you here, back in 1975 I wasn't 11 years old myself.
But calling OS/360 versions before "VS2 Release 1" a MVS is plain wrong. That's like, bringing analogy from DEC world, to refer to RSX-11 as VMS.



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Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-05-02 22:51 Could you write a BSD like os in ADA? endlessboomcapitalism
2016-05-03  7:47 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-05-03 14:29   ` Olivier Henley
2016-05-09 20:14   ` Randy Brukardt
2016-05-09 20:58     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-05-09 22:26       ` tmoran
2016-05-10  9:45       ` G.B.
2016-05-10 10:04         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-05-10 10:21           ` G.B.
2016-05-10 10:38             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-05-10 11:10               ` G.B.
2016-05-10 11:41             ` Xavier Petit
2016-05-10 11:54               ` G.B.
2016-05-10 12:18                 ` Bob Butler
2016-05-10 15:10                 ` Xavier Petit
2016-05-09 21:05     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2016-05-10 22:03       ` Randy Brukardt
2016-05-10 23:55         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2016-08-21 23:31   ` endlessboomcapitalism
2016-08-22  0:18   ` Andrew Shvets
2016-08-22  5:01     ` J-P. Rosen
2016-08-22  8:14       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-08-22  9:49         ` Bob Broderbund
2016-08-22 23:50           ` John Smith
2016-08-23  0:04             ` Shark8
2016-08-23  8:36               ` Bob Broderbund
2016-08-23  8:43                 ` Bob Broderbund
2016-08-23  9:47                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-08-23 13:11                     ` already5chosen
2016-08-24  4:12                   ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2016-08-24  7:26                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-08-24  9:25                       ` already5chosen
2016-08-24 12:05                       ` Vincent
2016-08-24 15:10                       ` Bob Broderbund
2016-08-25  0:20                         ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2016-08-25 16:30                           ` Niklas Holsti
2016-08-28  1:06                         ` VMS and C/Ada, was: " Simon Clubley
2016-08-28  7:05                           ` Simon Wright
2017-03-14 10:59                           ` gérard Calliet
2017-03-14 14:11                             ` Simon Clubley
2017-03-14 15:15                             ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2017-03-14 17:07                               ` gérard Calliet
2017-03-14 18:36                               ` Simon Clubley
2017-03-14 23:12                                 ` gérard Calliet
2016-08-24 17:40                       ` Qun-Ying
2016-08-24 18:25                         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2016-08-28  1:20                           ` Simon Clubley
2016-08-28  8:10                             ` Bob Broderbund
2016-08-28  8:36                               ` Simon Clubley
2016-08-28  8:55                                 ` Bob Broderbund
2016-08-28  9:31                                   ` Simon Clubley
2016-08-28  9:44                                     ` Could you write a BSD like os in Ada? Bob Broderbund
2016-08-24  9:15                     ` Could you write a BSD like os in ADA? already5chosen
2016-08-24 15:11                       ` Bob Broderbund
2016-08-24 13:00                     ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2016-08-24 15:00                     ` Bob Broderbund
2016-08-28  1:29                       ` [OT] VSI and VMS, was: " Simon Clubley
2016-08-28  8:12                         ` Bob Broderbund
2016-08-28  8:43                           ` Simon Clubley
2016-08-28  9:00                             ` Bob Broderbund
2016-08-28  1:46                   ` [OT] " Simon Clubley
2016-08-28  8:20                     ` Bob Broderbund
2016-08-28  9:11                       ` Simon Clubley
2016-08-23 12:51           ` already5chosen
2016-08-24  0:50             ` Shark8
2016-08-24 11:03               ` Maciej Sobczak
2016-08-24 15:15             ` Bob Broderbund
2016-08-24 15:37               ` already5chosen
2016-08-24 15:53                 ` Bob Broderbund
2016-08-24 16:37                   ` already5chosen [this message]
2016-08-22 11:38         ` J-P. Rosen
2016-08-22 12:10           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-08-22 13:23             ` J-P. Rosen
2016-08-22 23:14             ` rieachus
2016-05-09 23:28 ` Xavier Petit
2016-05-10 15:58 ` Istvan Nagy
2016-05-12 22:18 ` phil.clayton
2016-05-14  0:57   ` Simon Clubley
2016-05-14 11:33     ` AdaMagica
2016-05-16 17:37 ` Norman Worth
2016-08-03 15:31   ` Serge Robyns
2016-08-06 23:12     ` Luke A. Guest
2016-08-25  0:00 ` rieachus
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