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From: "Frédéric Praca" <frederic.praca@free.fr>
Subject: Re: F-35 (was:F-22 ADA Programming)
Date: 30 Oct 2014 09:01:06 GMT
Date: 2014-10-30T10:01:06+01:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5451fe52$0$2378$426a74cc@news.free.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 2014102820495633928-rblove@airmailnet

On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 20:49:56 -0500, Robert Love wrote:

> On 2014-10-27 04:53:56 +0000, Jerry Petrey said:
> 
>> On 10/26/2014 11:31 AM, nathandsash@gmail.com wrote:
>>> I read a few articles on ADA programming and came across a very
>>> interesting fact: that the F-22 was/is programmed in ADA. So this
>>> raises a few questions for me:
>>> 
>>> 1) What version of ADA is the F-22 programmed in?
>>> 2) What exactly were the parts of the F-22 were programmed in ADA?
>>> Were all the avionic components programmed in ADA or are there some
>>> programmed in another language like C, C++, VHDL, Verilog, etc.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> I was working for Lockheed during the time the F22 software was being
>> developed.  I worked on other aircraft using Ada (the C130J and the
>> C27J) and we all used Ada - it was Ada83 and we sometimes shared some
>> code with the F22 people.  Ada was very successful on all those
>> aircraft.  By the way, the Boeing 777 was also done mostly in Ada as
>> was the Rosetta spacecraft which has just recently achieved a comet
>> rendezvous after a 10 year journey.
>> 
>> Jerry
> 
> Does anyone have knowledge of how software for the F-35 went?   Budget,
> schedule and quality?    Was it autocoded from UML or written in the
> traditonal fashion?  Is there any way to compare software development
> success between F-22 and F-35?

Well, you can find several things about that.
First, on Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II#Program_cost_increases_and_delays ), 
you will learn that software is one of the main actors in the delays.

More technical information can be found there (https://www.csiac.org/
sites/default/files/
journal_files/2010_03_30_SoftwareQualityReliabilityandErrorPrediction.pdf 
) from page 36 to 39.
One thing linked to the other posts in this thread is the choice of C/C++ 
for staffing concerns.

But don't count on me to make the link between software delays and the 
C++ choice :)

Fred


  reply	other threads:[~2014-10-30  9:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-10-26 18:31 F-22 ADA Programming nathandsash
2014-10-26 19:02 ` Martyn Pike
2014-10-26 21:20 ` David Botton
2014-10-26 23:24   ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-10-26 23:55     ` David Botton
2014-11-14 22:54       ` rriehle
2014-11-14 23:46         ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2014-11-15  6:43           ` wilson
2014-11-15 17:49             ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-11-15 21:28         ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-11-16  9:57           ` Jean François Martinez
2014-11-16 22:26             ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-11-17  0:33               ` Jean François Martinez
2014-10-27  0:13     ` Robert A Duff
2014-10-27  0:31       ` David Botton
2014-10-27 10:17         ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-10-27 10:47           ` J-P. Rosen
2014-10-27 15:06         ` Adam Beneschan
2014-10-27 22:32           ` Randy Brukardt
2014-10-27  6:28       ` Pascal Obry
2014-10-27 15:04     ` Adam Beneschan
2014-10-27 15:17       ` Björn Lundin
2014-10-27 15:41       ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-10-27 16:01         ` Robert A Duff
2014-10-27 20:16         ` Adam Beneschan
2014-10-28  8:45         ` Natasha Kerensikova
2014-10-28 11:58           ` Bill White
2014-10-28 14:56             ` Adam Beneschan
2014-10-28 19:36               ` Bill White
2014-10-28 18:29           ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-10-28 18:37             ` Adam Beneschan
2014-10-28 19:14               ` David Botton
2014-10-28 21:06               ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-10-28 21:32                 ` Simon Clubley
2014-10-28 21:37                 ` Adam Beneschan
2014-10-28 23:59                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-10-29  0:34                     ` Adam Beneschan
2014-10-29  5:24                       ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-10-29  8:37                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-10-29 17:20                           ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-10-29 20:43                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-10-29 20:55                               ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-10-29 21:40                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-10-30  8:56                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-08  4:52                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-08  8:12                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-10-30 15:38                             ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-10-30 15:49                               ` Alan Jump
2014-10-30 22:33                                 ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2014-10-30 23:13                                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-10-30 16:07                               ` Bill White
2014-10-30 22:37                                 ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-10-31  9:41                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-10-31 12:51                                     ` Brad Moore
2014-11-01  3:03                                     ` C versus Ada (once again :-)), was: " Simon Clubley
2014-11-01 13:35                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-11-03  1:54                                         ` Simon Clubley
2014-11-03  9:42                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-11-03 12:07                                           ` Luke A. Guest
2014-11-04  2:01                                             ` Simon Clubley
2014-11-03 14:26                                           ` Brian Drummond
2014-11-01 13:46                                       ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-11-03  2:01                                         ` Simon Clubley
2014-11-03  9:10                                           ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-11-03 12:09                                           ` Luke A. Guest
2014-11-03 12:40                                       ` Florian Weimer
2014-11-03 21:58                                         ` Shark8
2014-11-03 22:28                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-04 13:42                                           ` Florian Weimer
2014-11-04 15:01                                             ` G.B.
2014-11-04 15:50                                               ` Florian Weimer
2014-10-31 10:11                                   ` Bill White
2014-10-31 12:52                                     ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-11-02 15:40                                       ` Bill White
2014-11-02 22:23                                         ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-11-02 22:52                                           ` Peter Chapin
2014-11-03  1:36                                           ` Simon Clubley
2014-11-03 19:04                                           ` Laurent
2014-10-31 13:24                               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2014-11-08  4:45                 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-08 23:43                   ` Shark8
2014-11-09  8:39                     ` Simon Wright
2014-11-09 20:53                       ` Shark8
2014-10-28 19:18             ` Simon Clubley
2014-10-27 16:34       ` David Botton
2014-10-27 16:51         ` brbarkstrom
2014-10-27 18:03           ` G.B.
2014-10-27 22:06             ` Simon Wright
2014-10-28  9:40               ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-10-27 20:06         ` Adam Beneschan
2014-10-27 20:21           ` David Botton
2014-10-28 11:34       ` tonyg
2014-10-27 17:01     ` Pascal Obry
2014-10-27  4:53 ` Jerry Petrey
2014-10-29  1:49   ` F-35 (was:F-22 ADA Programming) Robert Love
2014-10-30  9:01     ` Frédéric Praca [this message]
2014-10-30  9:07       ` Frédéric Praca
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