Re: Ada and Mac (Was: New version of AppletMagic)

[jhopper@erinet.com (jim hopper)]

In article <xd4tk5e4oa.fsf@andros.cygnus.com>
Stan Shebs <shebs@andros.cygnus.com> writes:

> > 1. make files between mpw and gcc are MUCH different.  stan made a
> > translator which does some of the work, but i don't yet know how much
> > work its going to be to move ada make to mpw
> 
> Point me at the GNAT makefile and I'll set up a basic mpw-make.sed.
> I've done enough now that it's pretty easy to write a new one.

Stan, thanks for your generous offer.  i will get you the stuff over
this weekend. 

> 
> > 3. it appears that because of the way mpw has forced stan to translate
> > the make files and patches that it will be a lot more work to maintain
> > the updates than it is with gnat.
> 
> Depends on how the GNAT makefile is set up.  The base GCC makefile
> editor is the most complicated of all the makefile sed scripts I've had
> to write, and it's been changed 10 times in the past year, of which
> 4-5 were to track GCC makefile changes (internal Cygnus versions of
> FSF code are more turbulent than released versions).

you know much better than i do.  it would take about 10 passes a year i
ssupect of the gnat make file as well.

> 
> > bottom line, i would really like to have a version that was a
> > metrowerks plugin, but mpw version is just not worth the trouble.  mpw
> > offers NO advantages (other than some people already have it) over
> > machten once the new codebuilder version comes out from tenon.  This
> > will happen in the next month or so depending on how quick we get
> > native mac tasking wrapped up.
> 
> MPW *is* Apple's officially supported programming environment.  Even
> with its limitations, it can do many tricks that the IDEs can only
> dream of, such as building MacOS itself...

dont get my wrong, i spent a lot of years working with mpw, i love it
for a lot of things, and continued using it long after most had gone to
nice IDE's on the mac, its just that to me Machten is mpw+.

I think your gcc c compiler on mpw is a very great contribution as it
will push the envelope for the mac, but a gnat on machten and a gnat on
mpw will be pretty much the same capabilities.

thanks again for the offer of help i will be takin you up on it sooner
than i had anticipated being able to get to it thanks to this offer.

best jim