From: "G.B." <rm-dash-bau-haus@dash.futureapps.de>
Subject: Re: Safety of unprotected concurrent operations on constant objects
Date: Wed, 07 May 2014 13:25:21 +0200
Date: 2014-05-07T13:25:21+02:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <536a1821$0$6706$9b4e6d93@newsspool2.arcor-online.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1ujfeb1baw6ri.1iprdov55030o$.dlg@40tude.net>
On 07.05.14 09:40, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
> They can even use C. What is the point?
The point is that
IF programmers want task-safety, and
IF programmers need to respect timing,
-----------
THEN programmers may need to build safe solutions
without "protected new".
The point is that, with "protected new", they cannot get
their job done, in this case.
>> If the programmer can request a "protected new" object,
>
> The choice is between requesting and not requesting this.
The choice is between safety or not, assessing whether or
not things will break, as you claimed they would. Some kinds
of safety nets ("protected new") are so simple and heavy that
this quality may render them inapplicable to some valid
programming problems.
Of which the original problem (reading from a container) is
an example, one that is not resolved by "protected new", it
seems. The "sequential checks" that handle tampering already
add to Ada containers being slow in comparison.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-05-07 11:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-05-02 8:42 Safety of unprotected concurrent operations on constant objects Natasha Kerensikova
2014-05-03 13:43 ` sbelmont700
2014-05-03 20:54 ` Natasha Kerensikova
2014-05-03 21:40 ` Simon Wright
2014-05-04 0:28 ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-05-04 7:46 ` Natasha Kerensikova
2014-05-04 8:06 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-05-04 15:18 ` sbelmont700
2014-05-04 15:57 ` Natasha Kerensikova
2014-05-04 18:30 ` sbelmont700
2014-05-04 19:34 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-05-05 19:04 ` Brad Moore
2014-05-05 21:23 ` Brad Moore
2014-05-04 21:44 ` Shark8
2014-05-05 8:39 ` Simon Wright
2014-05-05 15:11 ` Brad Moore
2014-05-05 16:36 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-05-06 6:00 ` Brad Moore
2014-05-06 8:11 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-05-06 8:48 ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2014-05-06 9:49 ` G.B.
2014-05-06 12:19 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-05-06 12:58 ` G.B.
2014-05-06 15:00 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-05-06 16:24 ` G.B.
2014-05-06 19:14 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-05-07 6:49 ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-05-07 7:40 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-05-07 11:25 ` G.B. [this message]
2014-05-07 12:14 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-05-07 13:45 ` G.B.
2014-05-07 14:08 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-05-07 17:45 ` Simon Wright
2014-05-07 18:28 ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-05-07 4:59 ` J-P. Rosen
2014-05-07 7:30 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-05-07 8:26 ` J-P. Rosen
2014-05-07 9:09 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-05-07 11:29 ` J-P. Rosen
2014-05-07 12:36 ` Safety of unprotected concurrent operations on constant objects (was: Safety of unprotected concurrent operations on constant objects) Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-05-07 14:04 ` Safety of unprotected concurrent operations on constant objects G.B.
2014-05-08 4:12 ` Brad Moore
2014-05-08 8:20 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-05-08 10:30 ` G.B.
2014-05-09 13:14 ` Brad Moore
2014-05-09 19:00 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-05-10 12:30 ` Brad Moore
2014-05-10 20:27 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-05-11 6:56 ` Brad Moore
2014-05-11 18:01 ` Brad Moore
2014-05-12 8:13 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-05-13 4:50 ` Brad Moore
2014-05-13 8:56 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-05-13 15:01 ` Brad Moore
2014-05-13 15:38 ` Brad Moore
2014-05-13 16:46 ` Simon Wright
2014-05-13 19:15 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-05-13 16:08 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-05-13 20:27 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-05-14 4:30 ` Shark8
2014-05-14 21:37 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-05-14 21:56 ` Robert A Duff
2014-05-15 1:21 ` Shark8
2014-05-14 14:30 ` Brad Moore
2014-05-15 8:03 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-05-15 13:21 ` Robert A Duff
2014-05-15 14:27 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-05-15 15:53 ` Robert A Duff
2014-05-15 16:30 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-10-26 17:11 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2014-05-08 19:52 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-05-06 16:22 ` Robert A Duff
2014-05-06 19:07 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-05-08 5:03 ` Brad Moore
2014-05-08 12:03 ` Brad Moore
2014-05-08 19:57 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-05-09 2:58 ` Brad Moore
2014-05-05 20:29 ` Natasha Kerensikova
2014-05-08 3:41 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-05-08 9:07 ` Natasha Kerensikova
2014-05-08 19:35 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-05-08 3:12 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-05-05 22:30 ` Brad Moore
2014-05-04 16:04 ` Peter Chapin
2014-05-04 18:07 ` Natasha Kerensikova
2014-05-04 18:55 ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-05-04 19:36 ` Simon Wright
2014-05-04 20:29 ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-05-05 22:46 ` Brad Moore
2014-05-04 20:25 ` Shark8
2014-05-04 23:33 ` sbelmont700
2014-05-05 7:38 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-05-08 3:45 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-05-08 3:19 ` Randy Brukardt
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