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From: "G.B." <rm-dash-bau-haus@dash.futureapps.de>
Subject: Re: Ada advocacy
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 14:49:51 +0200
Date: 2013-08-28T14:49:38+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <521df1e2$0$9510$9b4e6d93@newsspool1.arcor-online.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8iym21y3cv14.1vuethuo3ua53$.dlg@40tude.net>

On 28.08.13 13:59, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
> The corresponding patters for safer abstractions are sessions, transactions
> etc, all in the end intended to weaken the preconditions.

These concepts not being defined in Ada, it is all the more worrying
that efforts in the direction of integrating such higher level
concepts are either

- hooked into closed source and/or patent pending algorithms/language
   like e.g. into Google's experimental App Engine, or

- do not visibly produce any coordinated language design effort,
   assuming the software-dependent industry ever thinks about such

An example of lack of coordination is reflected by OpenMP; the good
things developed with more recent versions of OpenMP still require
doubled (or squared) efforts when programming: both, the sequential
languages like C or Fortran, and the OpenMP capabilities, need to be
used properly. Paraffin cannot be much better than OpenMP here, I
think, since it's a library and needs convention, not language, for
expressing algorithms for Paraffin.  When writing OpenMP annotations,
the mantra is likely "just do the right thing", again dismissing
language design in favor of proud, ego-full programmers who (think
they) do the right thing.

Do you think that current types can handle this at the language
level?

  reply	other threads:[~2013-08-28 12:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-03-20 12:54 Ada advocacy tonyg
2012-03-20 13:54 ` Ludovic Brenta
2012-03-20 14:39 ` Marc C
2012-03-20 15:13   ` Ludovic Brenta
2012-03-20 16:34     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-03-20 16:35       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-03-20 20:06   ` Shark8
2012-03-20 15:42 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-03-20 18:31 ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-03-20 21:42 ` anon
2012-03-20 23:05   ` Shark8
2012-03-21  0:32 ` Shark8
2012-03-21  1:58 ` Robert Love
2012-03-21  5:37   ` Per Sandberg
2012-03-25 11:10     ` Peter C. Chapin
2012-03-21  8:59   ` anon
2013-06-17 23:42     ` johannes falcone
2013-06-18  0:09       ` tmoran
2013-06-18  0:14     ` Leo Brewin
2013-06-18  0:59       ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-06-19 19:22         ` johannes falcone
2013-06-19 19:34           ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2013-06-19 20:16             ` Shark8
2013-06-19 19:36           ` Ludovic Brenta
2013-08-30  7:36             ` johannes falcone
2013-06-18  1:28       ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2013-06-18  5:55         ` Peter Brooks
2013-06-18 17:15           ` Robert A Duff
2013-06-18 17:43             ` Bill Findlay
2013-06-18 19:22               ` Robert A Duff
2013-06-18 19:30                 ` Bill Findlay
2013-08-27 13:34             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-08-27 14:08               ` Bill Findlay
2013-08-27 14:13                 ` Bill Findlay
2013-08-27 21:25               ` J-P. Rosen
2013-08-28  7:45                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-27 22:42               ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2013-08-28  7:45               ` Maciej Sobczak
2013-08-28  8:58                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-08-28  9:42                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-28 11:42                     ` G.B.
2013-08-28 11:59                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-28 12:49                         ` G.B. [this message]
2013-08-28 14:07                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-28 15:06                             ` Eryndlia Mavourneen
2013-08-28 17:30                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-28 16:44                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-08-28 17:25                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-28 23:33                           ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2013-08-29  7:15                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-29 14:47                           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-08-29 19:15                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-08-29 15:28               ` Robert A Duff
2013-08-29 21:43                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2013-08-30 23:52                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-08-31  0:05                     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2013-08-31  1:42                       ` Shark8
2013-08-31  2:57                       ` Shark8
2013-08-31  9:00                         ` Dirk Craeynest
2013-08-31  1:48                   ` Randy Brukardt
2013-09-02  7:13                   ` Egil H H
2013-09-02  8:41                     ` G.B.
2013-09-02 16:37                       ` Egil H H
2013-08-29 15:46               ` Robert A Duff
2013-08-30  4:47                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2013-08-30 16:54                   ` Robert A Duff
2013-08-30 17:49                     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2013-08-30 22:41                       ` Robert A Duff
2013-08-31  0:02                         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2013-08-31 14:47                           ` Robert A Duff
2013-06-19  7:29           ` nevillednz
2013-08-27 13:39             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-09-02 18:45           ` Martin
2013-06-17 23:39   ` johannes falcone
2012-03-21 10:44 ` tonyg
2013-06-18  0:07   ` johannes falcone
2012-03-23 16:13 ` KK6GM
2013-06-13 15:33 ` david
2013-06-13 15:34 ` david
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-08-26 20:33 Ada Advocacy Stephane Richard
2003-08-26 21:20 ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-26 22:28   ` Stephane Richard
2003-08-26 23:04     ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-27 16:15       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-27 23:06         ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-28 10:39           ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-26 23:55   ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-27  0:44   ` Anisimkov
2003-08-27  8:26     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-08-27 20:12       ` Wes Groleau
2003-08-27 23:09         ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-29 16:13           ` Jon S. Anthony
2003-08-29 18:15             ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-28  8:34         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-08-27  8:29     ` Luke A. Guest
2003-08-28  5:29       ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2003-09-01 21:26   ` Dave Thompson
2003-08-27  6:56 ` David Holm
2003-08-27 16:00 ` Rod Chapman
2003-08-29  6:38 ` Adrian Hoe
2003-08-29  9:34   ` Stephane Richard
2003-09-01  5:45     ` Adrian Hoe
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