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From: Georg Bauhaus <rm.dash-bauhaus@futureapps.de>
Subject: Re: Usefulness of OOP (was Is this expected behavior or not)
Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2013 20:43:32 +0200
Date: 2013-04-06T20:43:33+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <51606cd5$0$6574$9b4e6d93@newsspool3.arcor-online.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1qp6hk0v8ztvb$.1c0usjaywidmx.dlg@40tude.net>

On 06.04.13 12:31, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
> Both [procedural decomposition and OO] greatly hinder re-use and
>  fail to adapt to the reality of ever changing requirements.


Requirements do change. Change is always managed in some way. What if
we knew well how methods and languages influence the cost and outcome
of change management? I mean formally, more scientifically. We do know
about time spent on adapting software to changing requirements. This
means we know the cost. But do we know why this or that change has
cost more or less? I mean, formally, so that some theory could lead
the way to better methods, and to better languages.

A science of successful reactions to change, in terms of methods of
programming, would seem to be a bigger project for academics
co-operating with industry. Is it on anyone's radar? I speculate that
proprietary building blocks for software are moving ahead, without
feedback arriving in language design.  (I hope I am wrong.)

A possible idea that I admit is foggy: Is there something in GoF
patterns worth of making them new primitives of formal expression?



  reply	other threads:[~2013-04-06 18:43 UTC|newest]

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2013-03-11 19:42 Is this expected behavior or not Anh Vo
2013-03-11 20:01 ` Robert A Duff
2013-03-11 20:41   ` Shark8
2013-03-12  9:27     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-12 17:19       ` Robert A Duff
2013-03-12 17:42         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-12 18:04           ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-03-12 18:21             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-12 22:23               ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-03-13  8:49                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-13  9:45                   ` J-P. Rosen
2013-03-13 13:31                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-13 14:34                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-03-13 15:51                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-13 16:56                           ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-03-13 17:09                             ` Shark8
2013-03-13 17:32                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-03-13 19:28                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-13 21:01                               ` Randy Brukardt
2013-03-13 21:18                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-14 21:51                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2013-03-15  1:10                                     ` Adam Beneschan
2013-03-15 21:22                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2013-03-15  9:20                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-15 21:43                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2013-03-16  7:56                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-18 22:52                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2013-03-19 10:32                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-13 21:37                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-03-14 11:18                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-14 12:37                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-03-14 14:26                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-14 14:57                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-03-14 15:51                                         ` Anh Vo
2013-03-14 16:21                                       ` J-P. Rosen
2013-03-14 17:29                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-14 18:16                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-03-15  9:33                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-15 10:05                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-03-15 11:15                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-14 22:12                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2013-03-15  9:46                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
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2013-03-15 21:17                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2013-03-16  7:51                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-16  9:30                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-03-16 10:27                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-16 11:37                                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-03-16 13:04                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-16 16:10                                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-03-16 17:47                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-18 22:36                                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2013-03-19 10:14                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-19 14:23                                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-03-19 15:13                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-19 16:52                                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-03-19 17:31                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-19 20:07                                                               ` J-P. Rosen
2013-03-19 20:45                                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-19 21:59                                                                   ` J-P. Rosen
2013-03-20 10:04                                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-20 11:01                                                                       ` J-P. Rosen
2013-03-20 13:21                                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-20 23:31                                                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2013-03-21  9:08                                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-22 10:23                                                                           ` J-P. Rosen
2013-03-22 14:54                                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-22 22:18                                                                               ` J-P. Rosen
2013-03-22 23:05                                                                                 ` Shark8
2013-03-23  8:32                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-23  8:14                                                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-23  9:02                                                                                   ` J-P. Rosen
2013-03-23 10:19                                                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-23 21:53                                                                                       ` J-P. Rosen
2013-03-24  8:17                                                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-24  8:27                                                                                           ` J-P. Rosen
2013-03-24 13:01                                                                                             ` AdaMagica
2013-03-25  8:32                                                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-25  9:19                                                                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-03-25 10:08                                                                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-19 21:37                                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2013-03-20  8:48                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-14 16:22                                       ` Shark8
2013-03-14 17:08                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-13 22:34                               ` Robert A Duff
2013-03-14  9:09                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-14  9:27                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-03-13 17:05                         ` Shark8
2013-03-13 17:45                           ` Simon Wright
2013-03-13 19:37                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-13 19:54                               ` Simon Wright
2013-03-13 20:54                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-13 21:28                                   ` Simon Wright
2013-03-14  9:16                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-14 16:42                                       ` Simon Wright
2013-03-14 17:05                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-13 22:12                                   ` Robert A Duff
2013-03-13 21:47                                 ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-03-13 21:09                               ` Randy Brukardt
2013-03-13 22:48                                 ` Shark8
2013-03-14 22:01                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2013-03-15  3:27                                     ` Shark8
2013-03-15 21:05                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2013-03-15 21:46                                         ` Robert A Duff
2013-03-16  5:52                                           ` Shark8
2013-03-16  7:41                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-16 16:55                                               ` Shark8
2013-03-16 17:36                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-16 21:51                                                   ` Shark8
2013-03-17  9:36                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-18 23:13                                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2013-03-19  9:12                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-19 21:19                                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2013-03-20 11:21                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-20 23:57                                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2013-03-21 10:30                                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-21 23:27                                                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2013-03-22 16:07                                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-22 20:10                                                                       ` Shark8
2013-03-22 20:51                                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-22 23:34                                                                           ` Robert A Duff
2013-03-23  8:41                                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-23  2:29                                                                           ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2013-03-23  2:33                                                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2013-03-23  4:44                                                                         ` Shark8
2013-03-25 22:24                                                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2013-03-26  1:15                                                                             ` Shark8
2013-03-23  9:53                                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-25 22:58                                                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2013-03-26 10:52                                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-26 21:31                                                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2013-03-27  9:37                                                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-27 19:42                                                                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2013-03-28 13:50                                                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-28 21:55                                                                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2013-03-29 12:26                                                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-30  0:49                                                                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2013-03-30  2:55                                                                                             ` Shark8
2013-04-01 23:43                                                                                               ` Messaging question [was: Is this expected behavior or not] Randy Brukardt
2013-03-30  9:20                                                                                             ` Is this expected behavior or not Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-04-02  0:40                                                                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2013-04-02  8:44                                                                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-04-02 21:54                                                                                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2013-04-03  8:54                                                                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-04-04  0:04                                                                                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2013-04-04  8:26                                                                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-04-04 20:31                                                                                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2013-04-05  9:57                                                                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-04-05 12:45                                                                                                               ` Stefan.Lucks
2013-04-05 12:49                                                                                                                 ` Stefan.Lucks
2013-04-05 14:19                                                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-04-05 14:44                                                                                                                     ` Stefan.Lucks
2013-04-05 16:11                                                                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-04-05 19:02                                                                                                                         ` Stefan.Lucks
2013-04-05 19:34                                                                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-04-05 20:23                                                                                                                             ` Stefan.Lucks
2013-04-06  7:39                                                                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-04-07 18:10                                                                                                                                 ` Stefan.Lucks
2013-04-07 18:23                                                                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-04-05 20:38                                                                                                                             ` Stefan.Lucks
2013-04-05 14:36                                                                                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-04-05 15:16                                                                                                                   ` Stefan.Lucks
2013-04-05 16:29                                                                                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-04-05 19:55                                                                                                                       ` Stefan.Lucks
2013-04-06  1:45                                                                                                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2013-04-06  7:54                                                                                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-04-07 18:17                                                                                                                           ` Stefan.Lucks
2013-04-07 18:28                                                                                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-04-08  7:48                                                                                                                               ` Stefan.Lucks
2013-04-08  8:59                                                                                                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-04-08 15:35                                                                                                                                   ` Stefan.Lucks
2013-04-08 19:08                                                                                                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-04-09  7:18                                                                                                                                       ` Stefan.Lucks
2013-04-09  8:17                                                                                                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-04-09 15:20                                                                                                                                           ` Stefan.Lucks
2013-04-09 16:15                                                                                                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-04-09 22:59                                                                                                                                             ` Randy Brukardt
2013-04-09 22:57                                                                                                                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2013-04-10  7:30                                                                                                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-04-10  8:00                                                                                                                                             ` Root_String'Class? (Was: Is this expected behavior or not) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2013-04-10 21:48                                                                                                                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2013-04-09 22:53                                                                                                                                     ` Is this expected behavior or not Randy Brukardt
2013-04-09 22:45                                                                                                                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2013-04-10  7:37                                                                                                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-04-10 22:15                                                                                                                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2013-04-11  7:33                                                                                                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-04-11 22:37                                                                                                                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2013-04-12  7:47                                                                                                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-04-13  0:26                                                                                                                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2013-04-13  0:35                                                                                                                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2013-04-13  7:07                                                                                                                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-04-06  1:38                                                                                                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2013-04-06  1:20                                                                                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2013-04-06  5:20                                                                                                                 ` Usefulness of OOP (was Is this expected behavior or not) J-P. Rosen
2013-04-06 10:31                                                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-04-06 18:43                                                                                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus [this message]
2013-04-07  7:00                                                                                                                 ` Is this expected behavior or not Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-04-09 23:24                                                                                                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2013-04-10  8:20                                                                                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-04-10 22:07                                                                                                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2013-04-11  7:59                                                                                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-04-11 11:10                                                                                                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-04-11 13:49                                                                                                                           ` J-P. Rosen
2013-04-11 15:07                                                                                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-04-12  4:39                                                                                                                               ` J-P. Rosen
2013-04-12  8:00                                                                                                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-04-12  9:09                                                                                                                                   ` J-P. Rosen
2013-04-12 17:00                                                                                                                                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-04-11 23:02                                                                                                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2013-04-12  8:17                                                                                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-04-12  9:41                                                                                                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-04-12 11:46                                                                                                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-04-13 17:38                                                                                                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-04-13  0:22                                                                                                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2013-04-13  6:49                                                                                                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-04-16  1:41                                                                                                                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2013-04-16  8:03                                                                                                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-04-16 22:57                                                                                                                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2013-04-17  7:18                                                                                                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-04-17  9:23                                                                                                                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-04-17  9:57                                                                                                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-04-17 19:38                                                                                                                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-04-18 11:52                                                                                                                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-04-19  2:16                                                                                                                                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2013-04-19  7:39                                                                                                                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-04-19  9:07                                                                                                                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-04-19  9:11                                                                                                                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-04-19 12:09                                                                                                                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-04-19 22:14                                                                                                                                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2013-04-20  6:39                                                                                                                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-19  0:38                                                       ` Shark8
2013-03-19  8:53                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-16 20:45                                             ` Robert A Duff
2013-03-16  9:29                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-03-16 20:49                                             ` Robert A Duff
2013-03-14 22:41                             ` Florian Weimer
2013-03-12 23:21           ` Randy Brukardt
2013-03-12 23:14       ` Randy Brukardt
2013-03-11 20:43   ` Anh Vo
2013-03-11 22:32     ` Randy Brukardt
2013-03-11 22:38     ` Robert A Duff
2013-03-12  9:17   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-03-13  0:10     ` Shark8
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