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From: Georg Bauhaus <rm.dash-bauhaus@futureapps.de>
Subject: Re: Ada, the best language with the not-so-best tool chain
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2012 16:00:15 +0200
Date: 2012-10-08T16:00:08+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5072dc68$0$6554$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4keoa6epdxt7.1nnwxy7v7ar90.dlg@40tude.net>

On 08.10.12 15:00, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
> If you were a vendor of microwave herds, I bet you would have money to buy
> a license from AdaCore. You could even afford developing an Ada 2012
> compiler from scratch. (:-))


Does AdaCore offer a run-time system for one of the low cost
�controllers? Such as the ones offered by Freescale, Atmel, ...?
I know there is some effort to make GNAT an option on AVR,
but nothing mature so far, and surely not as convenient as
the alternatives that are packed with low cost boards.

http://sourceforge.net/p/avr-ada/wiki/Status/

So either look for one of the other Ada compilers,
or have some vendor write a run-time system, or write
one yourself. That's not for small shops, I should think.
Ada is a bit pricey, in comparison.

http://www.irvine.com/special.html
http://www.ghs.com/products/rtos/AdaMULTI_bare_board.html

On a managerial scale, estimating costs might show that porting
a compiler/writing a run-time system is well in reach of
a big-budget project (providing for long-term profit). But still,
I bet that they will call a manager an idiot if he/she
suggests any of this given the inexpensive, field-proven
alternatives. They'd see of huge risk associated with non-standard
(a.k.a. non-lemming) solutions: failure can easily be ascribed
to the non-standard solution, whatever the real causes are.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-10-16  1:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 170+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-10-07 17:34 Ada, the best language with the not-so-best tool chain Patrick
2012-10-07 18:43 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-07 22:35   ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-08  7:35     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 12:10       ` The Ada community's attitude, was: " Simon Clubley
2012-10-09  9:20     ` pavel.klinkovsky
2012-10-12 12:09     ` Lucretia
2012-10-12 12:47       ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-12 12:59         ` Lucretia
2012-10-16 20:05           ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-16 20:10             ` phone.john.kern
2012-10-18 14:14             ` Lucretia
2012-10-18 17:05               ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-12 13:28       ` kalvin.news
2012-10-11  4:04   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-07 18:49 ` Shark8
2012-10-07 20:21   ` Patrick
2012-10-08  7:31     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 11:28       ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-08 12:49         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 12:40       ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-10-08 13:00         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 13:57           ` Patrick
2012-10-08 14:02             ` Patrick
2012-10-08 19:53             ` Rego, P.
2012-10-08 20:27             ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-08 14:00           ` Georg Bauhaus [this message]
2012-10-08 14:22             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 14:30               ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-10-08 16:12                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 16:54                   ` Patrick
2012-10-08 18:22                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 18:29                       ` Patrick
2012-10-08 19:27                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 20:44                           ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-09  9:13                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09  9:59                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-10-09 12:16                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 15:06                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-10-09 16:53                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-18 21:53                             ` Randy Brukardt
2012-10-19 11:23                               ` Mark Lorenzen
2012-10-19 14:09                               ` Patrick
2012-10-19 14:47                                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-19 14:56                                   ` Patrick
2012-10-19 15:04                                     ` Vinzent Höfler
2012-10-19 17:30                                     ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-19 18:07                                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-19 19:05                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-10-19 19:14                                       ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-10-19 18:24                                     ` Anh Vo
2012-10-19 18:40                                       ` Adam Beneschan
2012-10-19 21:44                                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-10-19 22:28                                     ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-20 10:57                                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-20 23:08                                         ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-19 15:38                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-19 22:08                                 ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-24  9:56                               ` Paul Rubin
2012-10-24 11:21                                 ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-24 13:13                                   ` kalvin.news
2012-10-24 16:16                                     ` Paul Rubin
2012-10-24 16:27                                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-24 16:41                                         ` Paul Rubin
2012-10-24 16:57                                           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-24 17:36                                             ` Paul Rubin
2012-10-24 17:55                                             ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-24 21:17                                           ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-24 22:08                                             ` Paul Rubin
     [not found]                                               ` <4dqg885bcf05isnup07a28jrq8lbq5fknd@invalid.netcom.com>
2012-10-24 22:31                                                 ` Paul Rubin
2012-10-25  8:42                                               ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-29 14:51                                   ` mjsilva
2012-10-08 23:04                           ` Patrick
2012-10-08 23:07                           ` Patrick
2012-10-09  8:35                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 21:28                         ` Ludovic Brenta
2012-10-08 23:58                           ` Patrick
2012-10-09  5:59                           ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-09  8:02                             ` kalvin.news
2012-10-09  8:06                               ` kalvin.news
2012-10-10  5:56                               ` Stephen Leake
2012-10-10  6:48                                 ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-10  7:06                                   ` Ludovic Brenta
2012-10-10  8:17                                     ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-12 12:27                               ` Lucretia
2012-10-12 12:45                                 ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-12 12:58                                   ` Lucretia
2012-10-09  8:10                             ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-10 15:26                               ` Tero Koskinen
2012-11-08  9:36                               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2012-11-08 13:52                                 ` Rego, P.
2012-11-08 21:50                                 ` Brian Drummond
2012-11-09  1:24                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-11-09 10:16                                   ` Brian Drummond
2012-11-10  8:05                                     ` Randy Brukardt
     [not found]                                       ` <ulat9855qcom15kt7lk68rsidf44uau4q5@invalid.netcom.com>
2012-11-15  1:21                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2012-12-17 16:33                                 ` Brian Drummond
2012-12-17 17:57                                   ` Shark8
2012-12-25  9:29                                   ` Paul Rubin
2012-12-26 10:38                                     ` Brian Drummond
2012-12-25 10:11                                   ` Niklas Holsti
2012-12-26 10:40                                     ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-08 19:17                       ` kalvin.news
2012-10-08 20:16                       ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-09  9:33                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09  9:57                           ` kalvin.news
2012-10-09 12:31                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 12:51                               ` kalvin.news
2012-10-09 13:01                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 12:04                           ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-09 13:18                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 15:53                               ` kalvin.news
2012-10-09 17:08                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 18:26                                   ` kalvin.news
2012-10-09 20:40                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 23:23                                   ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-10  7:36                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-10 13:13                                       ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-10 13:45                                         ` kalvin.news
2012-10-10 15:44                                         ` Rego, P.
2012-10-10 17:52                                           ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-10 15:40                                       ` Rego, P.
2012-10-10 16:09                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-11  9:41                               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-11 12:01                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 12:29                           ` Vinzent Hoefler
2012-10-09 12:55                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
     [not found]                           ` <hok878l1k7s5i37k8uejv91t82ad41pipg@invalid.netcom.com>
2012-10-09 17:23                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-11 15:44                           ` mjsilva
2012-10-11 16:20                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-11 16:55                               ` mjsilva
2012-10-08 20:29                       ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-08 20:49                         ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-11 15:22                       ` mjsilva
2012-10-11 15:52                         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-11 16:00                           ` Patrick
2012-10-11 16:31                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-11 16:52                           ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-16 20:15                         ` phone.john.kern
2012-10-18 22:33                         ` Randy Brukardt
2012-10-18 22:52                           ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-10-18 23:14                             ` Randy Brukardt
2012-10-19  0:46                               ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-10-18 23:58                             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-19 22:49                           ` Tero Koskinen
2012-10-22 14:25                           ` mjsilva
     [not found]                             ` <be26881c-6662-4830-b86f-34a7d8b25bf4@googlegroups.com>
2012-10-22 15:04                               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-16 20:08                       ` phone.john.kern
2012-10-08 18:34                     ` Simon Wright
2012-10-08 18:57                       ` Patrick
2012-10-08 20:13             ` Rego, P.
2012-10-07 20:33 ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-11 16:22   ` mjsilva
2012-10-08 12:02 ` kalvin.news
2012-10-08 20:48   ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-09  3:03 ` Stephen Leake
2012-10-09  3:24   ` Patrick
2012-10-09  5:44     ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-10  5:52     ` Stephen Leake
2012-11-08  8:07       ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2012-11-09 12:29         ` Stephen Leake
2012-11-09 12:56           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-11-20 21:25         ` Tero Koskinen
2012-11-20 22:15           ` Niklas Holsti
2012-11-21 16:18           ` Lucretia
2012-10-10 11:04 ` kalvin.news
2012-10-11 17:44 ` mjsilva
2012-10-16 20:13   ` phone.john.kern
2012-11-07 14:02 ` Kristoffer Nyborg Gregertsen
2013-01-02  7:01 ` Diogenes
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