From: Laurent.Guerby@enst-bretagne.fr (Laurent Guerby)
Subject: Re: Ada Core Technologies and Ada95 Standards
Date: 1996/04/19
Date: 1996-04-19T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4xzq89i2o4.fsf@leibniz.enst-bretagne.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: dewar.827809782@schonberg
Ken Garlington writes
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: And yet, it's _not_ a mistake to mandate ACVC for non-DoD users? Why?
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The key idea here is the time (and money) spent on such items (as
already pointed out by Robert Dewar). The time and money spent by all
Ada vendors to reach ACVC compliance is _not_ spent in GUI builder,
external tools, and other goodies. If you require compliance with one
million tests, you won't get any tool (and may be not even a compiler,
or worse, only one compiler for your platform ...).
Think about C++ compilers which are known to be weak and buggy for
many features of the (evolving) draft C++ standard, but which are
coming with a good set of programming tools (windows, editors,
profilers, libraries ...) that people like.
If you want to enter the Ada market, ACVC is the recognized minimum
for any "decent" compiler. It's already a _lot_ of work (time,
money). And it does an useful (but limited) job.
But it is a "mistake" to require more for every Ada compiler used
by every Ada programmer. Most C/C++ programmers are using a buggy
C/C++ compiler without asking more than 93.1416% ANSI C/POSIX/Draft
C++/Whatever compliance and are quite happy with it ;-).
Of course, if you have to handle a big and serious project, you
will ask more from your vendor (ACES, other test suites, ISO 9000,
certifications, etc ...).
[Just student's thoughts, I haven't any real experience on the
subject, except with buggy language X compilers (a lot of compilers
and Xs) ;-]
--
-- Laurent Guerby, student at Telecom Bretagne (France), Team Ada.
-- "Use the Source, Luke. The Source will be with you, always (GPL)."
-- http://www-eleves.enst-bretagne.fr/~guerby/ (GATO Project).
-- Try GNAT, the GNU Ada 95 compiler (ftp://cs.nyu.edu/pub/gnat).
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1996-03-25 0:00 Ada Core Technologies and Ada95 Standards Kenneth Mays
1996-03-25 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-28 0:00 ` John McCabe
1996-03-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-29 0:00 ` John McCabe
1996-03-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-01 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-01 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-02 0:00 ` John McCabe
1996-04-02 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-02 0:00 ` John McCabe
1996-04-02 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1996-04-02 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-03 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-04 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-04 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-10 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-10 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-10 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-12 0:00 ` Philip Brashear
1996-04-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-15 0:00 ` Tiring Arguments Around (not about) Two Questions Ken Garlington
1996-04-15 0:00 ` Gary McKee
1996-04-16 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-17 0:00 ` Kenneth Almquist
1996-04-18 0:00 ` Ada Core Technologies and Ada95 Standards John McCabe
1996-04-19 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-22 0:00 ` John McCabe
1996-04-23 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-24 0:00 ` John McCabe
1996-04-24 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-26 0:00 ` John McCabe
1996-04-26 0:00 ` John McCabe
1996-04-26 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-25 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-24 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-26 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-24 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-26 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-27 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-22 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-15 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-16 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-02 0:00 ` John McCabe
1996-04-02 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1996-04-16 0:00 ` John McCabe
1996-04-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-22 0:00 ` John McCabe
1996-04-23 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-24 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-26 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-27 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-29 0:00 ` Cordes MJ
1996-04-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-05-06 0:00 ` John McCabe
1996-05-06 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-05-08 0:00 ` John McCabe
1996-05-08 0:00 ` TARTAN and TI Tom Robinson
1996-05-09 0:00 ` Arthur Evans Jr
[not found] ` <Dr46LG.2FF@world.std.com>
1996-05-09 0:00 ` Ada Core Technologies and Ada95 Standards John McCabe
1996-05-07 0:00 ` Mike Cordes
1996-05-07 0:00 ` Mike Cordes
1996-04-10 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-15 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-16 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-18 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-03-31 0:00 ` Geert Bosch
1996-04-01 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-01 0:00 ` Mike Young
1996-04-03 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-29 0:00 ` Applet Magic works great, sort of Vince Del Vecchio
1996-03-29 0:00 ` Ada Core Technologies and Ada95 Standards steved
1996-03-29 0:00 ` Applet Magic works great, sort of Bob Crispen
1996-04-03 0:00 ` Ada Core Technologies and Ada95 Standards Robert I. Eachus
1996-04-03 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-04 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-04 0:00 ` John McCabe
1996-04-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-06 0:00 ` Ada validation is virtually worthless Raj Thomas
1996-04-06 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-08 0:00 ` Arthur Evans Jr
1996-04-07 0:00 ` Ada Core Technologies and Ada95 Standards John McCabe
1996-04-05 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-04-10 0:00 ` Cordes MJ
1996-04-10 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-15 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-16 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-11 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-04-11 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-04-19 0:00 ` Laurent Guerby [this message]
1996-04-25 0:00 ` Tiring Arguments Around (not about) Two Questions [VERY LONG] Laurent Guerby
1996-04-26 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-29 0:00 ` Philip Brashear
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1996-04-01 0:00 Ada Core Technologies and Ada95 Standards Simon Johnston
1996-04-24 0:00 W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1996-04-25 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-25 0:00 ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-04-25 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-29 0:00 Marin David Condic, 407.796.8997, M/S 731-93
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