From: system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu
Subject: Re: C is 'better' than Ada because...
Date: 1996/07/29
Date: 1996-07-29T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4tijip$rlo@corn.cso.niu.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 31F613F3.2781E494@escmail.orl.mmc.com
"Tim Behrendsen" <tim@airshields.com> writes:
>Theodore E. Dennison <dennison@escmail.orl.mmc.com> wrote in article
><31F613F3.2781E494@escmail.orl.mmc.com>...
>> Tim Behrendsen wrote:
>> You have a good point. Unfortunately, your premise is wrong. Ada is in
>> extensive use outside of the Government. In fact it is the language of
>> choice wherever a software failure is liable to cause loss of life or a
>> very large lawsuit.
>
>This sounds to me like the "Macintosh" argument; if only the general
>public weren't so ignorant, the Macintosh would be the dominant
>platform.
No actually it sounds more like the OS/2 argument.
>Never mind the very real problems with the platform.
What are the very real problems with Ada?
>> Mine is for languages that are the least error prone, and the easiest
>> to track down bugs in. That way, I get to spend my evenings at home
>> with my family.
>Based on your post, Ada is only appropriate for mission critical
>applications, and not for other applications?
This is scary, don't you WANT a language that allows you to ship
(as) bug-free (as possible) code?
Most software houses don't produce mission critical software so they
program with what they are comfortable with and never get exposed
to Ada ("Ugh, why would you want to learn that?").
>Again, the question,
>and I ask this respectfully, "If it's so good, why isn't it used more
>universally than it is?"
Why don't more people use VMS or OS/2 or ...
[<grin> I hope this doesn't start another religious war]
>And, if C is so bad (in many people's opinion,
>not mine), why is it used almost universally, despite its acknowledged,
>real problems?
Why was Windows 3.1 used so much? (not a perfect analogy but...)
Why are you so prejudiced against Ada? You know next to nothing about it
But reading your original post you have essentially already decided what
Ada is.
Try the Lovelace tutorial at
http://lglwww.epfl.ch/Ada/Tutorials/Lovelace/lovelace.html"
It will only take a couple of hours and you might learn something.
>-- Tim Behrendsen (tim@airshields.com)
Robert
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1996-06-19 0:00 C is 'better' than Ada because Alan Brain
1996-06-20 0:00 ` Ron Thompson
1996-06-22 0:00 ` Nasser Abbasi
1996-06-22 0:00 ` David Morton
1996-06-22 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-23 0:00 ` The Deviant
1996-06-23 0:00 ` Michael Feldman
1996-06-23 0:00 ` John Winters
1996-06-23 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-24 0:00 ` token%/etc/HOSTNAME
1996-06-23 0:00 ` John Winters
1996-06-23 0:00 ` David Morton
1996-06-23 0:00 ` John Winters
1996-06-23 0:00 ` David Morton
1996-06-23 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1996-06-27 0:00 ` ) OH NO "...begs the question..." Ralph Silverman
1996-06-28 0:00 ` Bill Wendling
1996-06-30 0:00 ` C is 'better' than Ada because Nasser Abbasi
1996-06-23 0:00 ` Nasser Abbasi
1996-06-23 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1996-06-23 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-28 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
[not found] ` <874508446wnr@t-cubed.demon.co.uk>
1996-06-29 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-29 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-06-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-30 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-01 0:00 ` Mike Roske
1996-07-01 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-02 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-07-03 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-04 0:00 ` Ian Ward
1996-07-05 0:00 ` Peter Amey
1996-07-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-10 0:00 ` James A. Squire
1996-07-15 0:00 ` Oliver Kellogg
1996-07-16 0:00 ` Oliver Kellogg
1996-07-18 0:00 ` Fraser Wilson
1996-07-18 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-19 0:00 ` Keith Thompson
1996-07-17 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-11 0:00 ` James A. Squire
1996-07-16 0:00 ` Nasser Abbasi
1996-07-16 0:00 ` Mark A Biggar
1996-07-17 0:00 ` James A. Squire
1996-07-17 0:00 ` Laurent Guerby
1996-07-17 0:00 ` David Emery
1996-07-18 0:00 ` James A. Squire
1996-07-07 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-08 0:00 ` Ian Ward
1996-07-18 0:00 ` Hamilton Link
1996-07-19 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-08 0:00 ` C is 'better' than Ada ... NOT!! Hugh Dunne
1996-07-08 0:00 ` Frank Manning
1996-07-08 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-12 0:00 ` C is 'better' than Ada because John F. Bode
1996-07-15 0:00 ` Sandy McPherson
1996-07-18 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-19 0:00 ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-07-19 0:00 ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-07-19 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-07-20 0:00 ` Michael Feldman
1996-07-21 0:00 ` Alfonso Urdaneta
1996-07-21 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-22 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-22 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-26 0:00 ` Richard Riehle
[not found] ` <31f3c52e.238719470 <Pine.GSO.3.92.960726122347.25896E-100000@nunic.nu.edu>
1996-07-31 0:00 ` Darrin Smith
1996-07-31 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1996-08-01 0:00 ` Jerry van Dijk
1996-08-06 0:00 ` Kirk Bradley
1996-08-09 0:00 ` Richard Riehle
1996-08-10 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1996-08-16 0:00 ` Richard Riehle
1996-08-18 0:00 ` Craig Franck
[not found] ` <Pine.GSO.3.92.960816102000. <4v5pis$4h1@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>
1996-08-18 0:00 ` David Weller
1996-08-15 0:00 ` Mike Stark
1996-08-02 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
[not found] ` <31f3c52e.238719470 <4uj42h$j06@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>
1996-08-11 0:00 ` Doug & Rose Miller
1996-08-11 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1996-08-11 0:00 ` Doug & Rose Miller
1996-08-12 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1996-08-16 0:00 ` nasser
1996-08-11 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
[not found] ` <31f3c52e.238719470 <4v5pis$4h1@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>
1996-08-18 0:00 ` Doug & Rose Miller
1996-08-20 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1996-07-23 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-07-27 0:00 ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-07-27 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1996-07-29 0:00 ` Ian Ward
1996-07-30 0:00 ` Bob Cousins
1996-07-30 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-09-05 0:00 ` Bob Cousins
1996-08-13 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-08-14 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1996-08-28 0:00 ` Van Snyder
1996-08-14 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-08-15 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1996-08-15 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1996-08-16 0:00 ` Don Nelson
1996-08-19 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1996-08-19 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-08-28 0:00 ` Van Snyder
1996-08-30 0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-08-15 0:00 ` Stefan 'Stetson' Skoglund
1996-08-15 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-08-20 0:00 ` nasser
1996-08-15 0:00 ` David Weller
1996-08-15 0:00 ` William C Brennan
1996-07-08 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-10 0:00 ` Peter Hermann
1996-07-15 0:00 ` Tim McGuire
1996-07-16 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-18 0:00 ` Bob Gilbert
1996-07-19 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-18 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-07-19 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-19 0:00 ` Richard O'Rourke
1996-07-22 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-22 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-23 0:00 ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-07-24 0:00 ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-07-27 0:00 ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-07-29 0:00 ` Ada is 'better' than C because John Herro
1996-07-30 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1996-07-30 0:00 ` Adam Beneschan
1996-07-31 0:00 ` Franz Kruse
1996-08-04 0:00 ` Richard Riehle
1996-08-05 0:00 ` Sandy McPherson
1996-08-06 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-08-06 0:00 ` GAFFNEY.BRIAN
1996-08-07 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-08-08 0:00 ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-08-08 0:00 ` Frank Lipski
1996-08-09 0:00 ` Sandy McPherson
1996-08-15 0:00 ` Mike Stark
1996-08-07 0:00 ` Bob Kitzberger
1996-08-08 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-08 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-29 0:00 ` C is 'better' than Ada because Dirk Dickmanns
1996-07-30 0:00 ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-07-31 0:00 ` whiting_ms@corning.com (Matt Whiting)
1996-07-31 0:00 ` Dirk Dickmanns
1996-07-31 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-08-01 0:00 ` Alan Brain
1996-08-02 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-08-05 0:00 ` Byron B. Kauffman
1996-08-15 0:00 ` Mike Roske
1996-08-15 0:00 ` David Shochat
1996-08-16 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
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1996-08-16 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-08-05 0:00 ` Robb Nebbe
1996-08-02 0:00 ` Dirk Dickmanns
1996-07-29 0:00 ` Bob Kitzberger
1996-07-30 0:00 ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-07-30 0:00 ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-07-30 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-30 0:00 ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-07-30 0:00 ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-08-08 0:00 ` Ada is 'better' than C because William Clodius
1996-08-09 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-09 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-08-12 0:00 ` OBryan Anthony H
1996-08-12 0:00 ` Bob Kurtz
1996-08-12 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1996-08-13 0:00 ` Tom Watson
1996-08-14 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
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1996-07-30 0:00 ` C is 'better' than Ada because Tim Behrendsen
1996-07-24 0:00 ` Dirk Dickmanns
1996-07-24 0:00 ` JamesS1889
1996-07-25 0:00 ` Alan Brain
1996-07-23 0:00 ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-07-23 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-24 0:00 ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-07-24 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-25 0:00 ` Alan Brain
1996-07-25 0:00 ` Steve Howard
1996-07-27 0:00 ` Bob Kitzberger
1996-07-26 0:00 ` Mike Roske
1996-07-25 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-25 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-26 0:00 ` kennedy1
1996-07-26 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-10 0:00 ` John F. Bode
1996-07-11 0:00 ` Mike Roske
[not found] ` <4rvr2j$2gb0@info4.rus.uni-s <nhn30yhw6t.fsf@paralysys>
1996-07-18 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-18 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-26 0:00 ` Richard Riehle
1996-07-10 0:00 ` Stephen M O'Shaughnessy
1996-07-10 0:00 ` Peter Seebach
1996-07-18 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1996-07-19 0:00 ` James A. Squire
1996-07-29 0:00 ` William Clodius
1996-07-30 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-30 0:00 ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-01 0:00 ` Byron B. Kauffman
1996-08-01 0:00 ` Ian Ward
1996-07-30 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-31 0:00 ` Tim Behrendsen
[not found] ` <9608020139.AA29105@pulsar.telesoft>
1996-08-02 0:00 ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-05 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-08-06 0:00 ` is Ada 'better' than C? (Was: Re: C is 'better' than Ada because...) Antoine Leca
1996-08-06 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-07-31 0:00 ` C is 'better' than Ada because Ralph Silverman
1996-07-30 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-08-01 0:00 ` David Wheeler
1996-07-30 0:00 ` William Clodius
1996-08-01 0:00 ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-01 0:00 ` Olivier Devuns @pulsar
1996-08-11 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-08-12 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1996-08-12 0:00 ` James A. Squire
1996-08-12 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1996-08-12 0:00 ` John Howard
1996-08-13 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1996-08-13 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-08-14 0:00 ` Craig Franck
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1996-08-13 0:00 ` C is 'better' than Ada because Jon S Anthony
1996-08-13 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-08-14 0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-08-19 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-08-20 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1996-08-20 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-08-21 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1996-08-27 0:00 ` Valentin Bonnard
1996-07-06 0:00 ` Walter B. Hollman Sr.
1996-07-05 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-07-08 0:00 ` Peter Hermann
1996-07-09 0:00 ` Dirk Dickmanns
1996-07-12 0:00 ` ntxbow
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1996-07-15 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-16 0:00 ` Ian Ward
1996-07-17 0:00 ` Dale Stanbrough
1996-07-23 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-07-29 0:00 ` William Clodius
1996-07-31 0:00 ` Darin Johnson
1996-08-01 0:00 ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-01 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-08-01 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-08-05 0:00 ` Stefan 'Stetson' Skoglund
1996-08-16 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-07-01 0:00 ` James A. Squire
1996-07-02 0:00 ` Darin Johnson
1996-07-03 0:00 ` If your only tool is a hammer, all your problems look like nails (was Re: C is 'better' than Ada because...) Bruce Clement
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1996-07-30 0:00 C is 'better' than Ada because Spasmo
1996-07-31 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-08-01 0:00 ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-02 0:00 ` Ralph Silverman
[not found] ` <01bb7e29$61e3d260$87ee6fce@timpent.airshields.com>
1996-07-31 0:00 ` Bob Kitzberger
1996-07-31 0:00 ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-01 0:00 Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-02 0:00 ` David Bonham
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[not found] ` <9608061851.AA17508@camo.brc.shell.com>
1996-08-06 0:00 ` Tim Behrendsen
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1996-08-03 0:00 ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-05 0:00 ` Kevin D. Quitt
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1996-08-04 0:00 @#$%!?!
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1996-08-20 0:00 ` Adam Beneschan
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