Steelman is online!

Steelman is online!

[Magnus Kempe]

The Steelman document (the 1978 requirements for Ada) is finally
available online, thanks to the work of David Wheeler.  Several formats
are available: HTML, PostScript, Frame 5, and RTF.

You'll find a link featured in your friendly Ada Home (HBAP), at

http://lglwww.epfl.ch/Ada/

(see the "Headlines")

The document is part of a new section that deals with the history of Ada
(requirements, rationales, etc.).

Enjoy!

Magnus

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Re: Steelman is online!

[Arthur Evans Jr]

In article <4tif8a$8o6@disunms.epfl.ch>, Magnus.Kempe@di.epfl.ch (Magnus
Kempe) wrote:

> The Steelman document (the 1978 requirements for Ada) is finally
> available online...
> 
 [snip]
> 
> The document is part of a new section that deals with the history of Ada
> (requirements, rationales, etc.).

Wonderful!  Do you also plan to do Strawman, Woodenman, Tinman and
Ironman?  I remember responding to Strawman not quite a million years
ago but no longer have a copy; I've sometimes wondered just what was in
it.

Art Evans

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Re: Steelman is online!

[Anthony Shipman]

In <evans-3007961039190001@ppp7.pgh.net> evans@evans.pgh.pa.us (Arthur Evans Jr) writes:

>In article <4tif8a$8o6@disunms.epfl.ch>, Magnus.Kempe@di.epfl.ch (Magnus
>Kempe) wrote:

>> The Steelman document (the 1978 requirements for Ada) is finally
>> available online...
>> 
> [snip]
>> 
>> The document is part of a new section that deals with the history of Ada
>> (requirements, rationales, etc.).

>Wonderful!  Do you also plan to do Strawman, Woodenman, Tinman and
>Ironman?  I remember responding to Strawman not quite a million years
>ago but no longer have a copy; I've sometimes wondered just what was in
>it.


Are there documents about the losing bids (e.g. red language) ?




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Re: Steelman is online!

[Theodore E. Dennison]

Anthony Shipman wrote:
> 
> In <evans-3007961039190001@ppp7.pgh.net> evans@evans.pgh.pa.us (Arthur Evans Jr) writes:
> 
> >In article <4tif8a$8o6@disunms.epfl.ch>, Magnus.Kempe@di.epfl.ch (Magnus
> >Kempe) wrote:
> 
> >> The Steelman document (the 1978 requirements for Ada) is finally
> >> available online...
> >>
> > [snip]
> >>
> >> The document is part of a new section that deals with the history of Ada
> >> (requirements, rationales, etc.).
> 
> Are there documents about the losing bids (e.g. red language) ?

I'd like to see that too. I would be interesting to see what Ada would have
looked like if one of the other "colors" was accepted.

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Re: Steelman is online!

[Becca Norton]

Theodore E. Dennison wrote:
[snip]
> > Are there documents about the losing bids (e.g. red language) ?
> 
> I'd like to see that too. I would be interesting to see what Ada would have
> looked like if one of the other "colors" was accepted.

The Ada Library, located at the Ada Joint Program Office (DISA Building,
Falls Church, VA), has copies of Comments from reviewers for ALL the
competing languages (green, red, yellow, blue) and has several Language
Reference Manuals for the Red Language (and the Green, too, obviously).

There may be even more historically interesting documentation, but these
are the documents that I am certain we have.  Please feel free to stop
by the library between 9-5 M-F if you are in the area.  Call to set up
an appointment with the librarian (to be escorted in the secure
building):

AdaIC:  800/232-4211
Ada & Reuse Library: 703/681-1269

We welcome visitors!
Becca Norton
AdaIC/ReuseIC -- Library
nortonb@sw-eng.falls-church.va.us

Re: Steelman is online!

[Theodore E. Dennison]

Becca Norton wrote:
> 
> Theodore E. Dennison wrote:
> [snip]
> > > Are there documents about the losing bids (e.g. red language) ?
> >
> > I'd like to see that too. I would be interesting to see what Ada would have
> > looked like if one of the other "colors" was accepted.
> 
> The Ada Library, located at the Ada Joint Program Office (DISA Building,
> Falls Church, VA), has copies of Comments from reviewers for ALL the
...
> are the documents that I am certain we have.  Please feel free to stop
> by the library between 9-5 M-F if you are in the area.  Call to set up
> an appointment with the librarian (to be escorted in the secure
> building):

Urg. There was a sort of an implied "online somewhere" at the end of that.
While its nice to know that that stuff was kept, its just a SMIDGE less 
convienent to take a 1500 mile trip, set up an appointment, and get escorted
around a secure building.

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Re: Steelman is online!

[Keith Thompson]

In <3200D1D9.167EB0E7@escmail.orl.mmc.com> "Theodore E. Dennison" <dennison@escmail.orl.mmc.com> writes:
> Anthony Shipman wrote:
> > Are there documents about the losing bids (e.g. red language) ?
> 
> I'd like to see that too. I would be interesting to see what Ada would have
> looked like if one of the other "colors" was accepted.

Edsger Dijkstra's comments on the Blue, Green, Yellow, and Red languages
are in Sigplan Notices, Volume 13, Number 10, October 1978.  An
editor's note says:

    At some time in the future, it is expected that the original designs
    will be published by the N.T.I.S.

(Presumably N.T.I.S.is the National Technical Information Service.)

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Re: Steelman is online!

[Arthur Evans Jr]

In article <4tn4tb$dtf@ephor.tusc.com.au>, als@tusc.com.au (Anthony
Shipman) added to a thread about putting Steelman online and wrote:

> Are there documents about the losing bids (e.g. red language) ?

All of this documentation was put on microfiche long ago.  I used to
have a set -- it was a pile of fiche over 0.25" high, which is a _lot_
of fiche.  I'm sure I haven't seen that pile in 15 years or more, and I
may no longer own it.  If I do, I'll never find it except by chance
while looking for something else.

Red documentation surely exists, somewhere.  John Nestor, Red's designer,
undoubtedly has a copy; so also, I expect, does Intermetrics.  Blue and
Yellow documentation?  They probably exist too.  Blue was SofTech and
Yellow SRI, I think.  The neurons wear out as I grow older.

Art Evans

Arthur Evans Jr, PhD        Phone: 412-963-0839
Ada Consulting              FAX:   412-963-0927
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Pittsburgh PA  15238-1933
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