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From: fjh@mundook.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Fergus Henderson)
Subject: Re: Uninitialized "out" parameters
Date: 1996/07/24
Date: 1996-07-24T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4t5dkk$h6d@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> (raw)
In-Reply-To: dewar.838132465@schonberg


dewar@cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) writes:

>Dynamic bounds of arrays do not help in compile time legality checking, so
>I don't see what relevance they have. And yes, container types are certainly
>appropriate (after all see Bounded_String, which is exactly what you are
>talking about), but again, this has nothing to do with compile time legality
>requirements.

I think it does have relevant to the compile time legality
requirements.  Many container types have an interface that has no
possibility of accessing uninitialized variables even if their
implementation might make use of uninitialized arrays used in ways that
might make it difficult for a static checking system to ensure their
safety.  For example, if the standard library has a `sparse_hash_table'
type, it should solve the problem you mentioned with the 2 gig array.

The down side of strict static checking is that it might make some idioms,
such as an efficient implementation of the `sparse_hash_table' interface,
difficult to express.  The relevance of using containers with higher
levels of abstraction than arrays is that it allows you to combine
efficient implementations with strict static checking while minimizing
any loss of expressiveness.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~1996-07-24  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1996-07-18  0:00 Uninitialized "out" parameters Paul Whittington
1996-07-18  0:00 ` Adam Beneschan
1996-07-18  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-19  0:00   ` Pascal Obry
1996-07-19  0:00     ` Peter Hermann
1996-07-19  0:00   ` Samuel Tardieu
1996-07-19  0:00     ` John Herro
1996-07-19  0:00       ` Tucker Taft
1996-07-23  0:00         ` Peter Hermann
1996-07-23  0:00           ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-19  0:00   ` Dale Stanbrough
1996-07-19  0:00     ` Adam Beneschan
1996-07-19  0:00     ` James A. Squire
1996-07-19  0:00       ` Adam Beneschan
1996-07-20  0:00       ` Michael Feldman
1996-07-21  0:00         ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-21  0:00           ` Michael Feldman
1996-07-21  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-22  0:00             ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-23  0:00               ` Michael Feldman
1996-07-23  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-25  0:00                   ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-24  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-25  0:00                   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-24  0:00                 ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-18  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-19  0:00   ` Peter Amey
1996-07-20  0:00   ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-20  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-21  0:00       ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-21  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-23  0:00           ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-23  0:00             ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-24  0:00               ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-24  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-25  0:00                   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-25  0:00                     ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-24  0:00                 ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-07-25  0:00                 ` Frank Manning
1996-07-25  0:00                   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-26  0:00                     ` Frank Manning
1996-07-23  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-24  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-24  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-24  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson [this message]
1996-07-25  0:00               ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-25  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-23  0:00           ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-23  0:00             ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-24  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-24  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-19  0:00 ` Peter Amey
1996-07-19  0:00 ` Michel Gauthier
1996-07-21  0:00   ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-21  0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-22  0:00 ` Is 'out' different from 'in out' (Was: Uninitialized "out" parameters) Michel Gauthier
1996-07-22  0:00   ` Tucker Taft
1996-07-22  0:00   ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-22  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-23  0:00 ` Michel Gauthier
1996-07-23  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-24  0:00   ` Pascal Obry
1996-07-25  0:00   ` Tucker Taft
1996-07-23  0:00 ` Uninitialized "out" parameters John Herro
1996-07-23  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-24  0:00     ` Peter Hermann
1996-07-23  0:00   ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-24  0:00     ` Uninitialized variables, Java example Arra Avakian
1996-07-25  0:00       ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-25  0:00         ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-25  0:00       ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-26  0:00   ` Uninitialized "out" parameters Stephen J Bevan
1996-07-26  0:00     ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-24  0:00 ` Uninitialized variables, Java example Felaco
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1996-07-29  0:00 Uninitialized out parameters W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
2016-04-05 12:02 ahlan
2016-04-05 13:17 ` rieachus
2016-04-05 14:07   ` ahlan
2016-04-06  9:45     ` Mark Lorenzen
2016-04-06 21:01       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2016-04-07  7:10       ` ahlan
2016-04-05 16:19 ` G.B.
2016-04-06  8:19   ` ahlan
2016-04-06 10:17     ` G.B.
2016-04-06 11:44       ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2016-04-06 20:41         ` Niklas Holsti
2016-04-06 20:54         ` Randy Brukardt
2016-04-06 20:47       ` Randy Brukardt
2016-04-06 21:01         ` Randy Brukardt
2016-04-06 21:22           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-04-07  7:27             ` Randy Brukardt
2016-04-06 11:37 ` AdaMagica
2016-04-06 13:44   ` ahlan
2016-04-06 14:09     ` Mark Lorenzen
2016-04-06 14:10     ` G.B.
2016-04-06 20:53     ` Stefan.Lucks
2016-04-06 21:03       ` Randy Brukardt
2016-04-06 21:12       ` Niklas Holsti
2016-04-06 21:30       ` Randy Brukardt
2016-04-07  9:56         ` Stefan.Lucks
2016-04-07 16:08           ` AdaMagica
2016-04-07 23:02             ` Randy Brukardt
2016-04-08  7:32               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-04-07  7:52       ` Georg Bauhaus
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