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From: fjh@mundook.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Fergus Henderson)
Subject: Re: Uninitialized "out" parameters
Date: 1996/07/24
Date: 1996-07-24T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4t5cm1$gh0@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Dv08Co.E7v@world.std.com


bobduff@world.std.com (Robert A Duff) writes:

>Fergus Henderson <fjh@mundook.cs.mu.OZ.AU> wrote:
>>I haven't seen your example.  I tried searching for it using dejanews,
>>but I did not find any article in this thread posted by you that
>>gave an example of a 2 gig array.
>
>I haven't seen it, either, but I can guess what Robert meant.  You
>declare an array (1..One_Zillion), and you trust the operating system to
>*not* create storage for most of that array.  Normally, you just set the
>first few elements, and the others are memory-mapped to non-existent
>storage.  If you were required to say ":= (others => something);",

I would hope that a good static checking system would not require
initialization at the point of declaration as the only method of
initializing arrays; I would hope that it would allow common patterns
of initialization such as initializing all the elements one by one
in a loop.

>the compiler might actually cause writes to all that memory, causing the
>OS to actually allocate it, causing Storage_Error, or perhaps just a
>huge waste of memory.

I suppose that could be a serious problem (even if it only occurred
for uncommon patterns of initialization).  But you give a solution:

>On the other hand, if "something" happens to be, say, "0", then some
>operating systems can deal with it by initializing memory pages to zero
>as they are needed.  The compiler has to know about that fact, and act
>accordingly.  The DEC Ada-83 compiler on VAX/VMS does this.

--
Fergus Henderson <fjh@cs.mu.oz.au>   |  "I have always known that the pursuit
WWW: <http://www.cs.mu.oz.au/~fjh>   |  of excellence is a lethal habit"
PGP: finger fjh@128.250.37.3         |     -- the last words of T. S. Garp.




  reply	other threads:[~1996-07-24  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1996-07-18  0:00 Uninitialized "out" parameters Paul Whittington
1996-07-18  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-19  0:00   ` Peter Amey
1996-07-20  0:00   ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-20  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-21  0:00       ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-21  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-23  0:00           ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-23  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-24  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-24  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-24  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-25  0:00               ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-25  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-23  0:00             ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-24  0:00               ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-24  0:00                 ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-07-24  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-25  0:00                   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-25  0:00                     ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-25  0:00                 ` Frank Manning
1996-07-25  0:00                   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-26  0:00                     ` Frank Manning
1996-07-23  0:00           ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-23  0:00             ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-24  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson [this message]
1996-07-24  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-18  0:00 ` Adam Beneschan
1996-07-18  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-19  0:00   ` Pascal Obry
1996-07-19  0:00     ` Peter Hermann
1996-07-19  0:00   ` Dale Stanbrough
1996-07-19  0:00     ` Adam Beneschan
1996-07-19  0:00     ` James A. Squire
1996-07-19  0:00       ` Adam Beneschan
1996-07-20  0:00       ` Michael Feldman
1996-07-21  0:00         ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-21  0:00           ` Michael Feldman
1996-07-21  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-22  0:00             ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-23  0:00               ` Michael Feldman
1996-07-23  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-25  0:00                   ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-24  0:00                 ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-24  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-25  0:00                   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-19  0:00   ` Samuel Tardieu
1996-07-19  0:00     ` John Herro
1996-07-19  0:00       ` Tucker Taft
1996-07-23  0:00         ` Peter Hermann
1996-07-23  0:00           ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-19  0:00 ` Peter Amey
1996-07-19  0:00 ` Michel Gauthier
1996-07-21  0:00   ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-21  0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-22  0:00 ` Is 'out' different from 'in out' (Was: Uninitialized "out" parameters) Michel Gauthier
1996-07-22  0:00   ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-22  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-22  0:00   ` Tucker Taft
1996-07-23  0:00 ` Uninitialized "out" parameters John Herro
1996-07-23  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-24  0:00     ` Peter Hermann
1996-07-23  0:00   ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-24  0:00     ` Uninitialized variables, Java example Arra Avakian
1996-07-25  0:00       ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-25  0:00       ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-25  0:00         ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-26  0:00   ` Uninitialized "out" parameters Stephen J Bevan
1996-07-26  0:00     ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-23  0:00 ` Is 'out' different from 'in out' (Was: Uninitialized "out" parameters) Michel Gauthier
1996-07-23  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-24  0:00   ` Pascal Obry
1996-07-25  0:00   ` Tucker Taft
1996-07-24  0:00 ` Uninitialized variables, Java example Felaco
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1996-07-29  0:00 Uninitialized out parameters W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
2016-04-05 12:02 ahlan
2016-04-05 13:17 ` rieachus
2016-04-05 14:07   ` ahlan
2016-04-06  9:45     ` Mark Lorenzen
2016-04-06 21:01       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2016-04-07  7:10       ` ahlan
2016-04-05 16:19 ` G.B.
2016-04-06  8:19   ` ahlan
2016-04-06 10:17     ` G.B.
2016-04-06 11:44       ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2016-04-06 20:41         ` Niklas Holsti
2016-04-06 20:54         ` Randy Brukardt
2016-04-06 20:47       ` Randy Brukardt
2016-04-06 21:01         ` Randy Brukardt
2016-04-06 21:22           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-04-07  7:27             ` Randy Brukardt
2016-04-06 11:37 ` AdaMagica
2016-04-06 13:44   ` ahlan
2016-04-06 14:09     ` Mark Lorenzen
2016-04-06 14:10     ` G.B.
2016-04-06 20:53     ` Stefan.Lucks
2016-04-06 21:03       ` Randy Brukardt
2016-04-06 21:12       ` Niklas Holsti
2016-04-06 21:30       ` Randy Brukardt
2016-04-07  9:56         ` Stefan.Lucks
2016-04-07 16:08           ` AdaMagica
2016-04-07 23:02             ` Randy Brukardt
2016-04-08  7:32               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-04-07  7:52       ` Georg Bauhaus
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