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From: z007400b@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us (Ralph Silverman)
Subject: Re: software engineering and the notion of authorship
Date: 1996/07/15
Date: 1996-07-15T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4sdhbg$r7e@nntp.seflin.lib.fl.us> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 4rjhv6$ilu@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU


Fergus Henderson (fjh@mundook.cs.mu.OZ.AU) wrote:
: In comp.lang.ada, dewar@cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) writes:

: >To me this "ego-centered" style of programming is deadly.  It promotes a
: >situation where in a big project code is owned by individuals.

: I agree consistency is very important, as is maintainability.
: It is essential to make sure that the overall design is consistent.
: It is also essential that every part of the system is sufficiently
: clear, well-documented, and so forth that any programmer could make
: modifications to that part of the system, or take over responsibility
: for that part of the system, and consistency of style is important
: in facilitating this.  But I'm not convinced that recording
: authorship or assigning areas of responsibility is a bad idea.

: >you lose the advantages of working as a team.

: Teamwork has it's own disadvantages.  In particular, productivity goes
: way down!  (See "The Mythical Man-Month".)  If there is a problem
: in a particular piece of code, it makes sense for the expert on
: that subsystem to be the one to fix it.  They'll be able to do
: it quicker, and with less likelyhood of error, than someone who
: is not an expert on that subsystem.  It also makes sense for the
: expert on a subsystem to be part of the code review team for any
: changes to that subsystem, and assigning some degree of responsibility
: to the expert can increase their motivation to do a good job of
: code review.  Of course you need to make sure that the code is
: sufficiently consistent, well-documented, etc. that anyone can _become_
: the expert, when and if necessary.  But it's impossible for everyone
: to be the expert on everything.

: >in the GNAT project ...  You absolutely cannot tell
: >who wrote code from its style, and indeed we strongly discourage the notion
: >of authorship (we never for example attach names to units). Sure in practice
: >certain people know certain code well and our informally the experts in
: >particular areas, but if you look at the revision histories, you will see
: >that all sorts of people work in all parts of the system.

: What's wrong with recognizing the role of these informal experts?

: >In my experience, as in sports, this team
: >spirit is a key factor in maintaining a high level of motivation.

: As in sports, I think it is useful to assign individuals particulars
: areas of responsibility.  In Australian rules football, a team has
: forwards, a backline, centers, and on-ball players (rovers, a ruckman
: or two, and so forth).  It's not just a mob.

: And while team spirit is important, so is individual motivation, and
: a little bit of competition between players is a good thing, so long
: as they're competing for success in meeting the team's objectives,
: not competing for the ball.  A team plays better if they have a good
: reserves team, with players competing for spots in the team.  And
: players within a team compete for the team's best-and-fairest awards.

: The important thing, IMHO, is finding the right balance.

: --
: Fergus Henderson <fjh@cs.mu.oz.au>   |  "I have always known that the pursuit
: WWW: <http://www.cs.mu.oz.au/~fjh>   |  of excellence is a lethal habit"
: PGP: finger fjh@128.250.37.3         |     -- the last words of T. S. Garp.

--
************begin r.s. response*************

	a closely related question is:
	if persons who are supposed to be
		programmers
	can usefully work in groups
	or teams
		were such persons not able
		to program individually...
	?

	generally,  one may suppose,
	those capable of programming
	individually would be accepting of
		individuality
	.

************end r.s. response***************
Ralph Silverman
z007400b@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us





  parent reply	other threads:[~1996-07-15  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1996-06-21  0:00 Language Choice and Coding style Nasser Abbasi
1996-06-21  0:00 ` David Weller
1996-06-21  0:00 ` Giuliano Carlini
1996-06-21  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-24  0:00   ` Dr. John B. Matthews
1996-06-21  0:00 ` The Amorphous Mass
1996-06-23  0:00   ` mfinney
1996-06-23  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-26  0:00       ` mfinney
1996-06-23  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-27  0:00     ` The Amorphous Mass
1996-06-27  0:00     ` Adam Beneschan
1996-06-28  0:00       ` Peter Hermann
1996-06-28  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-02  0:00           ` John McCabe
1996-06-28  0:00         ` John McCabe
1996-06-28  0:00         ` Robert A Duff
1996-06-29  0:00           ` Samuel Mize
1996-06-29  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-04  0:00               ` Peter Hermann
1996-07-04  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-05  0:00                   ` software engineering and the notion of authorship Fergus Henderson
1996-07-08  0:00                     ` Peter Hermann
1996-07-08  0:00                     ` Jakob Engblom
1996-07-08  0:00                       ` The Amorphous Mass
1996-07-08  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-08  0:00                       ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-09  0:00                         ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-09  0:00                           ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-11  0:00                           ` Paul Eggert
1996-07-08  0:00                       ` John Byerly
1996-07-15  0:00                     ` Ralph Silverman [this message]
1996-07-15  0:00                       ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-17  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-19  0:00                         ` Mike Curtis
1996-07-05  0:00                   ` Language Choice and Coding style John McCabe
1996-07-04  0:00               ` Dan Evens
1996-07-04  0:00               ` John McCabe
1996-07-02  0:00             ` John McCabe
1996-07-02  0:00               ` Samuel Mize
1996-07-03  0:00                 ` Jeff Dege
1996-07-03  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-04  0:00                     ` John McCabe
1996-07-04  0:00                     ` Phil Howard
1996-07-04  0:00                       ` Peter Hermann
1996-07-03  0:00                 ` John McCabe
1996-07-06  0:00       ` Laurent Guerby
1996-07-19  0:00       ` software engineering and the notion of authorship Andrew Gierth
1996-06-21  0:00 ` Language Choice and Coding style Louis Tribble
1996-06-21  0:00 ` Jerry van Dijk
1996-06-24  0:00   ` Adam Beneschan
1996-06-21  0:00 ` David Emery
1996-06-23  0:00 ` Darin Johnson
     [not found] ` <4qeu56$52r@news.interpath.net>
1996-06-23  0:00   ` Nasser Abbasi
1996-06-24  0:00 ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-06-24  0:00 ` John McCabe
1996-06-24  0:00   ` Peter Hermann
1996-07-01  0:00     ` Alan Brain
1996-07-02  0:00       ` John McCabe
1996-06-24  0:00   ` Adam Beneschan
1996-06-26  0:00   ` Ian Ward
1996-06-26  0:00   ` Nasser Abbasi
1996-06-24  0:00 ` Michael R. Hartwig
1996-06-24  0:00 ` Andreas Schoter
1996-06-29  0:00 ` Rich Maggio
1996-06-29  0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1996-07-01  0:00   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-02  0:00     ` Samuel Mize
1996-07-03  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-08  0:00     ` ++           robin
     [not found] ` <JSA.96Jun26141502@organon.com>
1996-07-01  0:00   ` Russel A Hill
1996-07-01  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-08  0:00       ` Russel A Hill
1996-07-02  0:00     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-02  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-07-03  0:00   ` Mark Eichin
1996-07-02  0:00 ` Nasser Abbasi
1996-07-03  0:00   ` steidl
1996-07-05  0:00     ` Samuel Mize
1996-07-06  0:00     ` N. L. Sizemore
1996-07-08  0:00       ` steidl
     [not found] <01BB6E34.8313FAA0@idc213.rb.icl.co.uk>
1996-07-10  0:00 ` software engineering and the notion of authorship Robert Dewar
1996-07-10  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-11  0:00 ` Hugh Dunne
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