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From: ok@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au (Richard A. O'Keefe)
Subject: Re: software engineering and the notion of authorship
Date: 1996/07/09
Date: 1996-07-09T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4rt244$bt7@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 4rrgj8$nlu@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU


fjh@murlibobo.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Fergus Henderson) writes:
>>Yeah, but the real problem comes 10 years down the road, when the experts
>>have quit or died or moved to other projects and plain do not remember the
>>wonderfully complicated code they created back in '96... 

>If the code is clear, well-written and well-documented -- you should
>use code reviews to ensure this -- then I don't see why attaching
>authorship labels or assigning clear areas of responsibility is going
>to cause you problems 10 years down the road.


Fergus and I see eye-to-eye on many points.
However, he is working in a project with a small number of brilliant
programmers who are good at writing comments.

I had to maintain a large chunk of code which had only one comment (well,
I tell a lie, there were two: a commented out chunk of code -- with no
reason -- and the copyright notice) and a lot of one or two letter 
identifiers.  And code reviews were not a political practicality with
that piece of code:  it had been written by the _founder_ of the
company before I joined.  And he had left.

The "ego-less culture" that allows programmers to adopt a common style
is the same culture that is needed to allow the founder to submit his
precious work to other people's judgement.  I'm not arguing against
personal responsibility, only that the responsibility is responsibility
to *communicate*, and that adopting a common style in a project is one
of the things that *makes* the code clear.

-- 
Fifty years of programming language research, and we end up with C++ ???
Richard A. O'Keefe; http://www.cs.rmit.edu.au/~ok; RMIT Comp.Sci.




  reply	other threads:[~1996-07-09  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1996-06-21  0:00 Language Choice and Coding style Nasser Abbasi
1996-06-21  0:00 ` Giuliano Carlini
1996-06-21  0:00 ` David Weller
1996-06-21  0:00 ` The Amorphous Mass
1996-06-23  0:00   ` mfinney
1996-06-23  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-26  0:00       ` mfinney
1996-06-23  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-27  0:00     ` The Amorphous Mass
1996-06-27  0:00     ` Adam Beneschan
1996-06-28  0:00       ` Peter Hermann
1996-06-28  0:00         ` John McCabe
1996-06-28  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-02  0:00           ` John McCabe
1996-06-28  0:00         ` Robert A Duff
1996-06-29  0:00           ` Samuel Mize
1996-06-29  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-04  0:00               ` John McCabe
1996-07-04  0:00               ` Dan Evens
1996-07-04  0:00               ` Peter Hermann
1996-07-04  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-05  0:00                   ` software engineering and the notion of authorship Fergus Henderson
1996-07-08  0:00                     ` Peter Hermann
1996-07-08  0:00                     ` Jakob Engblom
1996-07-08  0:00                       ` The Amorphous Mass
1996-07-08  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-08  0:00                       ` John Byerly
1996-07-08  0:00                       ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-09  0:00                         ` Richard A. O'Keefe [this message]
1996-07-09  0:00                           ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-11  0:00                           ` Paul Eggert
1996-07-15  0:00                     ` Ralph Silverman
1996-07-15  0:00                       ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-17  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-19  0:00                         ` Mike Curtis
1996-07-05  0:00                   ` Language Choice and Coding style John McCabe
1996-07-02  0:00             ` John McCabe
1996-07-02  0:00               ` Samuel Mize
1996-07-03  0:00                 ` Jeff Dege
1996-07-03  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-04  0:00                     ` John McCabe
1996-07-04  0:00                     ` Phil Howard
1996-07-04  0:00                       ` Peter Hermann
1996-07-03  0:00                 ` John McCabe
1996-07-06  0:00       ` Laurent Guerby
1996-07-19  0:00       ` software engineering and the notion of authorship Andrew Gierth
1996-06-21  0:00 ` Language Choice and Coding style Robert Dewar
1996-06-24  0:00   ` Dr. John B. Matthews
1996-06-21  0:00 ` Jerry van Dijk
1996-06-24  0:00   ` Adam Beneschan
1996-06-21  0:00 ` Louis Tribble
1996-06-21  0:00 ` David Emery
     [not found] ` <4qeu56$52r@news.interpath.net>
1996-06-23  0:00   ` Nasser Abbasi
1996-06-23  0:00 ` Darin Johnson
1996-06-24  0:00 ` Andreas Schoter
1996-06-24  0:00 ` John McCabe
1996-06-24  0:00   ` Adam Beneschan
1996-06-24  0:00   ` Peter Hermann
1996-07-01  0:00     ` Alan Brain
1996-07-02  0:00       ` John McCabe
1996-06-26  0:00   ` Nasser Abbasi
1996-06-26  0:00   ` Ian Ward
1996-06-24  0:00 ` Michael R. Hartwig
1996-06-24  0:00 ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-06-29  0:00 ` Rich Maggio
1996-06-29  0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1996-07-01  0:00   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-02  0:00     ` Samuel Mize
1996-07-03  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-08  0:00     ` ++           robin
     [not found] ` <JSA.96Jun26141502@organon.com>
1996-07-01  0:00   ` Russel A Hill
1996-07-01  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-08  0:00       ` Russel A Hill
1996-07-02  0:00     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-02  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-07-03  0:00   ` Mark Eichin
1996-07-02  0:00 ` Nasser Abbasi
1996-07-03  0:00   ` steidl
1996-07-05  0:00     ` Samuel Mize
1996-07-06  0:00     ` N. L. Sizemore
1996-07-08  0:00       ` steidl
     [not found] <01BB6E34.8313FAA0@idc213.rb.icl.co.uk>
1996-07-10  0:00 ` software engineering and the notion of authorship Robert Dewar
1996-07-10  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-11  0:00 ` Hugh Dunne
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