From: rav@goanna.cs.rmit.EDU.AU (++ robin)
Subject: Re: next "big" language?? (disagree)
Date: 1996/06/12
Date: 1996-06-12T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4plaa6$c7a@goanna.cs.rmit.EDU.AU> (raw)
In-Reply-To: ag129.511.000A9CE9@ucs.cam.ac.uk
ag129@ucs.cam.ac.uk (A. Grant) writes:
>In article <4pj8p7$h9r@goanna.cs.rmit.EDU.AU> rav@goanna.cs.rmit.EDU.AU (++ robin) writes:
>> >euahjn@eua.ericsson.se (Henrik Johansson) writes:
>> >>assertion expression found in other languages like Eiffel (
>preconditions,> >>postconditions, assertions).
>>---What is the point of this?
>> A declaration buried somewhere else, and a test.
>> Why not something in clear english, which doesn't need a
>>reference to some other part of the program, like:
>> if mod(x, 2) ^= 0 then
>> put ('The value of x is not odd.');
>The point of assertions is not to print messages for the
>programmer.
---If you don't tell the programmer that something is wrong,
there's really little point in putting
extraneous clutter in the program.
> You can use them to allow the compiler to
>optimise safely, provide a contractual interface between
>modules, and for preconditions, postconditions, loop invariants
>etc. when proving the correctness of programs.
>E.g. the assertion that X is odd could form part of the
>declared interface to a module whose implementation was hidden.
---That may be so, but if the program doesn't feed the
fact that there is a violation, then there's no point in the
program.
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1996-06-04 0:00 ` next "big" language?? (disagree) Peter Hermann
1996-06-04 0:00 ` The Amorphous Mass
1996-06-04 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-06 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-06-12 0:00 ` Help making ada pretty CSC Trusted Systems Group
1996-06-14 0:00 ` Sandy McPherson
1996-06-19 0:00 ` Ruediger Berlich
1996-06-04 0:00 ` next "big" language?? (disagree) Peter Hermann
1996-06-04 0:00 ` The Amorphous Mass
1996-06-05 0:00 ` Michael David WINIKOFF
1996-06-07 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-05 0:00 ` Ian Ward
1996-06-05 0:00 ` The Amorphous Mass
1996-06-08 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-08 0:00 ` The Amorphous Mass
1996-06-09 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-08 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-05 0:00 ` ++ robin
1996-06-05 0:00 ` Ian Ward
1996-06-05 0:00 ` Ian Ward
1996-06-06 0:00 ` Richard Riehle
1996-06-07 0:00 ` Richard Riehle
1996-06-08 0:00 ` O'Connor
1996-06-07 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-10 0:00 ` Richard Riehle
1996-06-11 0:00 ` ++ robin
1996-06-11 0:00 ` James_Rogers
1996-06-11 0:00 ` Kevin J. Weise
1996-06-11 0:00 ` David Weller
1996-06-11 0:00 ` Chris Warack <sys mgr>
1996-06-11 0:00 ` ++ robin
1996-06-11 0:00 ` Ian Ward
1996-06-12 0:00 ` ++ robin
1996-06-12 0:00 ` Ian Ward
1996-06-11 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
[not found] ` <4p60nk$imd@euas20.eua.ericsson.se>
[not found] ` <4p8lmq$oq7@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au>
1996-06-11 0:00 ` ++ robin
1996-06-11 0:00 ` A. Grant
1996-06-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-17 0:00 ` A. Grant
1996-06-18 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-24 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-06-26 0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-06-19 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-20 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-24 0:00 ` Dale Stanbrough
1996-06-24 0:00 ` Lars Duening
1996-06-24 0:00 ` hopkinc
1996-06-24 0:00 ` Assertions (was: Re: next "big" language?? (disagree)) Robert A Duff
1996-06-24 0:00 ` Assertions (a different intent?) Gary McKee
1996-06-24 0:00 ` Assertions (was: Re: next "big" language?? (disagree)) Robert Dewar
1996-06-25 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1996-06-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
[not found] ` <4qrljg$15l8@watnews1.watson.ibm.com>
1996-06-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-24 0:00 ` next "big" language?? (disagree) Robert Dewar
1996-06-24 0:00 ` Adam Beneschan
1996-06-26 0:00 ` Marc C. Brooks
1996-06-26 0:00 ` Marc C. Brooks
[not found] ` <4qsbm7$r1s@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM>
1996-06-28 0:00 ` "Assert"? "Assume"? (was: next "big" language?? (disagree)) Alexander Bunkenburg
1996-06-28 0:00 ` Ian Collier
1996-07-01 0:00 ` Cameron Laird
1996-06-24 0:00 ` next "big" language?? (disagree) Keith Thompson
1996-06-25 0:00 ` Simon Read
1996-06-25 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1996-06-24 0:00 ` Adam Beneschan
1996-06-25 0:00 ` Darin Johnson
1996-06-26 0:00 ` Dale Stanbrough
1996-06-26 0:00 ` A. Grant
1996-06-25 0:00 ` Brian Nettleton @pulsar
1996-06-26 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-28 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1996-06-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-30 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1996-06-30 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-12 0:00 ` ++ robin [this message]
1996-06-12 0:00 ` A. Grant
1996-06-14 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-06-12 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-06-12 0:00 ` ++ robin
1996-06-12 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-06-13 0:00 ` ++ robin
1996-06-13 0:00 ` ++ robin
1996-06-12 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-14 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-15 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-18 0:00 ` Adam Beneschan
1996-06-18 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-28 0:00 ` Assertions (an heretic view) Michel Gauthier
1996-06-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-28 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1996-06-06 0:00 ` next "big" language?? (disagree) Dale Pontius
1996-06-11 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-12 0:00 ` Help making ada pretty Pedro de las Heras
1996-06-18 0:00 ` next "big" language?? (disagree) ++ robin
1996-06-07 0:00 Ian Ward
1996-06-08 0:00 ` O'Connor
1996-06-10 0:00 ` Matt Kennel
1996-06-11 0:00 ` Ian Ward
1996-06-12 0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-06-11 0:00 ` Robb Nebbe
1996-06-09 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
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