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From: andyc@procom.com (Andy Ho-Fan Chan)
Subject: Re: Hungarian notation
Date: 1996/05/23
Date: 1996-05-23T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4o1vo3$p2a@news1.ni.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 4o07o9$rfu@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au


In article <4o07o9$rfu@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au>, peter@tesla.newcastle.edu.au wrote:

>I adopted a policy, years ago, of never agreeing to help
>debug badly-documented code.  When I'm asked questions like
>"why doesn't my code work", my response is along the lines
>of "come back after you've inserted the comments, and we'll
>look at it then".  Half the time they don't come back, 
>because they discover the error themselves while debugging
>the comments.

Well, I guess they just don't want to comment the code and don't come to ask 
you question anymore.  I'm a student in CS, and I know what the students feel. 
 When the project is dued soon and don't get the program works, do you still 
have time to comment to code?

Well, comment is important, but in academic, most of the time no one wants to 
do that.

>A long-standing debate in academic teaching circles is over
>the question of whether one should teach a good programming
>language, or teach the one that's most commonly used.
>Years ago this debate was about COBOL, and in the end most
>CS departments stuck to their guns and dropped COBOL, over
>the protests of most employers, on the grounds that it was
>simply perpetuating bad practice.  Now COBOL is almost a
>non-issue and the focus of the debate has moved to C and C++;
>but this time around the CS departments - most of them,
>anyway - have opted for the morally lazy solution.  Everyone
>seems to have forgotten the message that universities are
>supposed to be looking to the future rather than simply
>trailing the pack.

It's true, but a lot of college are still stuck with Pascal, or Modula.

>Some of my colleagues in another department are still using
>Fortran as their teaching language, based on an "industry
>practice" argument.  Apparently they haven't yet noticed
>that industry practice is moving on and leaving them behind.

Well, there are a lot of "language die-hard" programmers.  We can't do 
anything to them to swtich anyway.


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Thread overview: 227+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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1996-05-13  0:00   ` Hungarian notation Roger Merritt
1996-05-14  0:00     ` David Priest
1996-05-14  0:00     ` The Right Reverend Colin James III
1996-05-15  0:00       ` Graham Perkins
1996-05-15  0:00         ` Peter Seebach
1996-05-16  0:00           ` Pete Becker
1996-05-14  0:00     ` Keith Whittingham
1996-05-14  0:00       ` Dr S.J. Harris
1996-05-15  0:00         ` Gerolf Wendland
1996-05-16  0:00           ` mAg
1996-05-17  0:00             ` Arne W Flones
1996-05-21  0:00               ` Norman L. Reitzel   
1996-05-21  0:00                 ` Bob Rodgers
1996-05-22  0:00                   ` Matt Kennel
1996-05-23  0:00                     ` Bob Rodgers
1996-05-23  0:00                       ` Peter Seebach
1996-05-23  0:00                     ` Steve Willer
1996-05-23  0:00                       ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-05-23  0:00                         ` Steve Willer
1996-05-22  0:00                   ` Slander (was: Hungarian notation) Graham Perkins
1996-05-23  0:00                     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-05-24  0:00                       ` Tucker Taft
1996-05-22  0:00                   ` Hungarian notation Michael Furman
1996-05-23  0:00                   ` Peter Moylan
1996-05-21  0:00                 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-05-22  0:00                   ` Peter Moylan
1996-05-23  0:00                     ` Andy Ho-Fan Chan [this message]
1996-05-23  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1996-05-24  0:00                         ` Bob Rodgers
1996-05-24  0:00                         ` Robert A Duff
1996-05-28  0:00                           ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-05-28  0:00                             ` Janus
1996-05-28  0:00                             ` Jeff Dege
1996-05-29  0:00                             ` Chris Kuan
1996-05-29  0:00                               ` Bob Rodgers
1996-05-30  0:00                                 ` Chris Kuan
1996-05-29  0:00                             ` Michael Furman
1996-05-31  0:00                               ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-05-31  0:00                                 ` Commenting (was Re: Hungarian notation) Alan Bowler
1996-05-31  0:00                                   ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-03  0:00                                     ` Ken Garlington
1996-06-01  0:00                                 ` Hungarian notation Steve Willer
1996-06-03  0:00                                   ` Warren Young
1996-06-01  0:00                                 ` Warren Young
1996-05-31  0:00                             ` Will Rose
1996-06-05  0:00                               ` Ralph Silverman
1996-06-07  0:00                                 ` Michael Furman
1996-06-01  0:00                             ` Heinz Hemken
1996-06-02  0:00                               ` Matt Kennel
1996-06-02  0:00                               ` Jeff Dege
1996-06-05  0:00                               ` Ralph Silverman
1996-06-06  0:00                                 ` Jeff Dege
1996-05-27  0:00                       ` Peter Moylan
1996-05-27  0:00                         ` Jeff Dege
1996-05-27  0:00                           ` The Amorphous Mass
1996-05-28  0:00                             ` Jeff Dege
1996-05-28  0:00                               ` The Amorphous Mass
1996-05-29  0:00                               ` Comments was: " Bob Lang 3P21 x3172
1996-05-30  0:00                                 ` Kevin Cline
     [not found]                           ` <4odgjh$6o@carrera.intergate.bc.ca>
1996-05-28  0:00                             ` try to run this! - try_me.exe [3/4] Otmar Conradus
1996-05-28  0:00                       ` Hungarian notation Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-05-31  0:00                         ` The Last Word on Comments (was Re: Hungarian notation) Clark L. Coleman
1996-06-03  0:00                           ` Robert A Duff
1996-06-13  0:00                             ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-06-13  0:00                               ` Richard Riehle
1996-06-15  0:00                                 ` Train
1996-06-18  0:00                                 ` Sandy McPherson
1996-06-18  0:00                                   ` David Zink
1996-06-19  0:00                                     ` Michael Furman
1996-06-20  0:00                                       ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-23  0:00                                         ` David Zink
1996-06-23  0:00                                           ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-28  0:00                                         ` Ralph Silverman
1996-06-28  0:00                                           ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-11  0:00                                             ` Ralph Silverman
1996-07-11  0:00                                               ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-12  0:00                                               ` steidl
1996-07-12  0:00                                                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-12  0:00                                                 ` Peter Seebach
1996-06-29  0:00                                           ` Lawrence Kirby
1996-06-29  0:00                                           ` steidl
1996-06-20  0:00                                   ` The Last Word on Comments (was Re: Hun Ian Ward
1996-06-05  0:00                           ` The Last Word on Comments (was Re: Hungarian notation) Peter Moylan
1996-06-05  0:00                             ` Mike Fulton
1996-06-05  0:00                               ` Shane Badham
1996-06-13  0:00                                 ` Steve Sobol
1996-06-14  0:00                                   ` Re-designing CS (long) (Was: Re: The Last Word on Comments) Warren Young
1996-06-21  0:00                                   ` Re-designing CS (long) Warren Young
1996-06-24  0:00                                     ` Brian J. Quandt
1996-06-05  0:00                               ` The Last Word on Comments (was Re: Hungarian notation) Steve Howard
1996-06-06  0:00                                 ` Jeff Dege
1996-06-06  0:00                               ` Bob Lang 3P21 x3172
1996-06-08  0:00                             ` Bill Hay
1996-06-11  0:00                               ` Derek Lee Beatty
1996-06-11  0:00                           ` Darius Blasbans
1996-06-11  0:00                           ` Darius Blasbans
1996-06-11  0:00                           ` Darius Blasbans
1996-06-11  0:00                           ` Darius Blasbans
1996-06-11  0:00                           ` Darius Blasbans
1996-06-11  0:00                             ` Kevin J. Weise
1996-06-13  0:00                               ` Kevin D. Quitt
1996-06-13  0:00                               ` Kevin Cline
1996-06-12  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-17  0:00                               ` James McKim
1996-06-18  0:00                                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-06  0:00                       ` Hungarian notation Sam Hunting
1996-06-06  0:00                       ` Ralph Silverman
1996-06-06  0:00                         ` David Hopkins
1996-06-07  0:00                         ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-06-07  0:00                           ` Steve Willer
1996-06-10  0:00                             ` Michael Furman
1996-06-12  0:00                               ` Warren Young
1996-06-07  0:00                         ` Hungarian notation (an aside) Bob Lang 3P21 x3172
1996-06-11  0:00                       ` I wish it was "The Last Word on Comments (was Re: Hungarian notation)" Blair MacIntyre
1996-05-23  0:00                     ` Hungarian notation Robert Dewar
1996-05-23  0:00                       ` Steve Willer
1996-05-28  0:00                         ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-05-29  0:00                           ` Kevin Cline
1996-05-24  0:00                       ` Kevin Cline
1996-05-25  0:00                         ` Steve Willer
1996-05-25  0:00                           ` Hungarian notation: the thread of choice for consummate boors The Right Reverend Colin James III
1996-05-27  0:00                             ` Ken Nicolson
     [not found]                             ` <HFsHoD96w165w@bwalk.dm.com>
1996-05-28  0:00                               ` Jon Hornstein
1996-06-05  0:00                         ` Hungarian notation Ralph Silverman
1996-06-06  0:00                           ` James McKim
1996-06-07  0:00                             ` Ralph Silverman
1996-06-06  0:00                           ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-05-24  0:00                       ` Jeff Dege
1996-05-26  0:00                       ` Warren Young
1996-06-03  0:00                     ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-06-10  0:00                 ` Ralph Silverman
1996-05-18  0:00             ` Richard Riehle
1996-05-23  0:00             ` Laurent Guerby
1996-05-23  0:00               ` Please keep Hungarian notation thread OUT of comp.lang.modula3 Tim Mann
1996-05-23  0:00             ` Hungarian notation James Kanze US/ESC 60/3/141 #40763
1996-05-23  0:00               ` Paul J. Kossick
1996-05-25  0:00                 ` Raoul De Kezel
1996-05-23  0:00             ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-06-05  0:00             ` Ralph Silverman
1996-06-05  0:00               ` jthorpe
1996-06-06  0:00               ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-06-07  0:00                 ` Ralph Silverman
1996-06-07  0:00                   ` The Amorphous Mass
1996-06-10  0:00                   ` Michael Furman
1996-06-11  0:00                   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-06-11  0:00                     ` Will Rose
1996-06-11  0:00                     ` Kevin Cline
1996-06-11  0:00                       ` Chris Engebretson
1996-06-11  0:00                       ` Ralph Silverman
1996-06-12  0:00                       ` Bob Rodgers
1996-06-12  0:00                         ` Matt Kennel
1996-06-13  0:00                           ` Jeff Dege
1996-06-13  0:00                           ` Giuliano Carlini
1996-06-22  0:00                       ` Richard Green
1996-06-07  0:00                 ` Chris Kuan
1996-06-05  0:00           ` Ralph Silverman
1996-05-14  0:00       ` Dave Mikesell
1996-05-14  0:00       ` Peter Seebach
1996-05-14  0:00         ` Pete Becker
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1996-05-16  0:00             ` Steve Branam
1996-05-16  0:00             ` Scott
1996-05-16  0:00               ` Giuliano Carlini
1996-05-18  0:00                 ` Warren Young
1996-05-16  0:00             ` Mark Chu-Carroll
1996-05-16  0:00               ` Jay Martin
1996-05-17  0:00                 ` Scott
1996-05-23  0:00                 ` G.O.Visser
1996-05-16  0:00         ` Matt Kennel
1996-05-16  0:00       ` Dave Toland
1996-05-21  0:00       ` mAg
1996-05-21  0:00         ` Mark A Biggar
1996-05-21  0:00           ` slary61
1996-05-21  0:00         ` Bob Lang 3P21 x3172
1996-05-21  0:00         ` Peter Seebach
1996-05-23  0:00           ` Steve Willer
1996-05-23  0:00             ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-05-23  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-05-28  0:00                 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-05-23  0:00               ` Bob Rodgers
1996-05-23  0:00                 ` Bob Kitzberger
1996-05-23  0:00               ` Train
1996-05-23  0:00                 ` jeffos2
1996-05-23  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-05-24  0:00               ` Steve Willer
1996-05-24  0:00               ` slary61
1996-05-24  0:00                 ` Dave Toland
1996-05-24  0:00                 ` Jerry Kuch
1996-05-24  0:00                 ` Jeff Dege
1996-05-24  0:00                 ` Jos A. Horsmeier
1996-05-26  0:00                   ` Richard Riehle
1996-05-27  0:00                     ` Warren Young
1996-06-03  0:00                     ` Eva
1996-05-28  0:00                   ` Paul D. DeRocco
1996-05-24  0:00                 ` Ian Ward
1996-05-27  0:00                 ` Norman L. Reitzel   
1996-05-27  0:00                   ` Matt Kennel
1996-05-28  0:00                 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-05-28  0:00                   ` Jay Martin
1996-05-29  0:00                     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-06-01  0:00                     ` Michael Feldman
1996-05-29  0:00                 ` AJ Musgrove
1996-06-05  0:00                 ` Ralph Silverman
1996-06-06  0:00                 ` Ralph Silverman
1996-05-23  0:00             ` Peter Seebach
1996-05-24  0:00         ` Oleg Kagan
1996-06-05  0:00           ` Ralph Silverman
1996-05-23  0:00     ` James Kanze US/ESC 60/3/141 #40763
1996-05-28  0:00     ` Homonnai Misi
1996-05-28  0:00     ` Brian Rogoff
1996-05-20  0:00   ` James Kanze US/ESC 60/3/141 #40763
1996-05-20  0:00     ` Tom Wheeley
1996-05-23  0:00     ` Steve Willer
1996-05-22  0:00   ` James Kanze US/ESC 60/3/141 #40763
1996-05-23  0:00   ` James Kanze US/ESC 60/3/141 #40763
1996-05-23  0:00     ` Richard Kenner
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