From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Ada, the best language with the not-so-best tool chain
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 15:00:23 +0200
Date: 2012-10-08T15:00:23+02:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4keoa6epdxt7.1nnwxy7v7ar90.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 5072c9ae$0$6562$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net
On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 14:40:17 +0200, Georg Bauhaus wrote:
> On 08.10.12 09:31, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
>> Embedded became bigger than one-man hobby project.
>
> Looking for embedded stuff around here, there is an electronic
> $10,- scale. It happens to have destructive software built in.
> (The scale refuses to operate now, resetting does not have any
> effect.)
> It does not have inputs or outputs, except maybe hidden on
> its main boards, which measures about 2cm x 1cm, but I cannot
> easily take a look.
>
> Another item with digital electronics embedded is an older battery
> charger that has an RS 232 serial connector. If you know the
> prices of contemporary battery chargers then you know there
> cannot be any $30,- PC hardware in it.
>
> And we have a microwave oven. I doubt it has ethernet, although it
> seems a likely candidate, given all the attempts at home automation;
> I'm also guessing that it's got a very moderate, yet capable micro
> controller in it, not a PC. (The user may operate 13 buttons and
> two rotary knobs, and watch an LCD display.) Do microwave ovens
> have HiRes timers?
If you were a vendor of microwave herds, I bet you would have money to buy
a license from AdaCore. You could even afford developing an Ada 2012
compiler from scratch. (:-))
It all about how many boards come in question and how complex the software
has to be. One of our customers develops all software from scratch for each
new device. When we asked them, would not it be better to have a portable
layer for the stuff, they answered that by the numbers they have in
production, they need not to care about software costs...
--
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de
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2012-10-07 17:34 Ada, the best language with the not-so-best tool chain Patrick
2012-10-07 18:43 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-07 22:35 ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-08 7:35 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 12:10 ` The Ada community's attitude, was: " Simon Clubley
2012-10-09 9:20 ` pavel.klinkovsky
2012-10-12 12:09 ` Lucretia
2012-10-12 12:47 ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-12 12:59 ` Lucretia
2012-10-16 20:05 ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-16 20:10 ` phone.john.kern
2012-10-18 14:14 ` Lucretia
2012-10-18 17:05 ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-12 13:28 ` kalvin.news
2012-10-11 4:04 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-07 18:49 ` Shark8
2012-10-07 20:21 ` Patrick
2012-10-08 7:31 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 11:28 ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-08 12:49 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 12:40 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-10-08 13:00 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2012-10-08 13:57 ` Patrick
2012-10-08 14:02 ` Patrick
2012-10-08 19:53 ` Rego, P.
2012-10-08 20:27 ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-08 14:00 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-10-08 14:22 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 14:30 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-10-08 16:12 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 16:54 ` Patrick
2012-10-08 18:22 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 18:29 ` Patrick
2012-10-08 19:27 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 20:44 ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-09 9:13 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 9:59 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-10-09 12:16 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 15:06 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-10-09 16:53 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-18 21:53 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-10-19 11:23 ` Mark Lorenzen
2012-10-19 14:09 ` Patrick
2012-10-19 14:47 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-19 14:56 ` Patrick
2012-10-19 15:04 ` Vinzent Höfler
2012-10-19 17:30 ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-19 18:07 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-19 19:05 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-10-19 19:14 ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-10-19 18:24 ` Anh Vo
2012-10-19 18:40 ` Adam Beneschan
2012-10-19 21:44 ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-10-19 22:28 ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-20 10:57 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-20 23:08 ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-19 15:38 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-19 22:08 ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-24 9:56 ` Paul Rubin
2012-10-24 11:21 ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-24 13:13 ` kalvin.news
2012-10-24 16:16 ` Paul Rubin
2012-10-24 16:27 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-24 16:41 ` Paul Rubin
2012-10-24 16:57 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-24 17:36 ` Paul Rubin
2012-10-24 17:55 ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-24 21:17 ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-24 22:08 ` Paul Rubin
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2012-10-24 22:31 ` Paul Rubin
2012-10-25 8:42 ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-29 14:51 ` mjsilva
2012-10-08 23:04 ` Patrick
2012-10-08 23:07 ` Patrick
2012-10-09 8:35 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 21:28 ` Ludovic Brenta
2012-10-08 23:58 ` Patrick
2012-10-09 5:59 ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-09 8:02 ` kalvin.news
2012-10-09 8:06 ` kalvin.news
2012-10-10 5:56 ` Stephen Leake
2012-10-10 6:48 ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-10 7:06 ` Ludovic Brenta
2012-10-10 8:17 ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-12 12:27 ` Lucretia
2012-10-12 12:45 ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-12 12:58 ` Lucretia
2012-10-09 8:10 ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-10 15:26 ` Tero Koskinen
2012-11-08 9:36 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2012-11-08 13:52 ` Rego, P.
2012-11-08 21:50 ` Brian Drummond
2012-11-09 1:24 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-11-09 10:16 ` Brian Drummond
2012-11-10 8:05 ` Randy Brukardt
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2012-11-15 1:21 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-12-17 16:33 ` Brian Drummond
2012-12-17 17:57 ` Shark8
2012-12-25 9:29 ` Paul Rubin
2012-12-26 10:38 ` Brian Drummond
2012-12-25 10:11 ` Niklas Holsti
2012-12-26 10:40 ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-08 19:17 ` kalvin.news
2012-10-08 20:16 ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-09 9:33 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 9:57 ` kalvin.news
2012-10-09 12:31 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 12:51 ` kalvin.news
2012-10-09 13:01 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 12:04 ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-09 13:18 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 15:53 ` kalvin.news
2012-10-09 17:08 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 18:26 ` kalvin.news
2012-10-09 20:40 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 23:23 ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-10 7:36 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-10 13:13 ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-10 13:45 ` kalvin.news
2012-10-10 15:44 ` Rego, P.
2012-10-10 17:52 ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-10 15:40 ` Rego, P.
2012-10-10 16:09 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-11 9:41 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-11 12:01 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 12:29 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2012-10-09 12:55 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
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2012-10-09 17:23 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-11 15:44 ` mjsilva
2012-10-11 16:20 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-11 16:55 ` mjsilva
2012-10-08 20:29 ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-08 20:49 ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-11 15:22 ` mjsilva
2012-10-11 15:52 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-11 16:00 ` Patrick
2012-10-11 16:31 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-11 16:52 ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-16 20:15 ` phone.john.kern
2012-10-18 22:33 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-10-18 22:52 ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-10-18 23:14 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-10-19 0:46 ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-10-18 23:58 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-19 22:49 ` Tero Koskinen
2012-10-22 14:25 ` mjsilva
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2012-10-22 15:04 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-16 20:08 ` phone.john.kern
2012-10-08 18:34 ` Simon Wright
2012-10-08 18:57 ` Patrick
2012-10-08 20:13 ` Rego, P.
2012-10-07 20:33 ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-11 16:22 ` mjsilva
2012-10-08 12:02 ` kalvin.news
2012-10-08 20:48 ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-09 3:03 ` Stephen Leake
2012-10-09 3:24 ` Patrick
2012-10-09 5:44 ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-10 5:52 ` Stephen Leake
2012-11-08 8:07 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2012-11-09 12:29 ` Stephen Leake
2012-11-09 12:56 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-11-20 21:25 ` Tero Koskinen
2012-11-20 22:15 ` Niklas Holsti
2012-11-21 16:18 ` Lucretia
2012-10-10 11:04 ` kalvin.news
2012-10-11 17:44 ` mjsilva
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