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From: geert@fozzie.sun3.iaf.nl (Geert Bosch)
Subject: Re: Ada Core Technologies and Ada95 Standards
Date: 1996/03/31
Date: 1996-03-31T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4jm0jv$9l2@fozzie.sun3.iaf.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 828127251.85@assen.demon.co.uk

In article <828127251.85@assen.demon.co.uk> John McCabe wrote:
`` I was obviously thinking of validation of Ada compilers in the same
   way that _my_ software is validated - i.e a full set of test cases
   proving that _all_ requirements have been met. ''

You *cannot* prove this for complex software, like Ada compilers.
Creating a full set of test cases for ``proving'' that an Ada-compiler
conforms to the language standard is impossible. For one, this would
mean to prove that the compiler has no bugs. Another point is that 
  a) All requirements should be known
  b) All requirements should be specified unambigiously 
  c) Everybody agrees on b) and on the one and only possible interpretation

An example for how irrelevant this is, is the following: when two
parties on an ethernet-segment want to send each other a message, it
is not certain they will succeed in finite time, because of the ethernet
protocol. On the other hand, billions of dollars would be lost if from
now on, all ethernet packets would keep colliding whenever possible. 
You can't prove it won't happen, but you can *rely* on it not to happen.
These are different things.

`` If I cannot prove this, my software is not accepted by my customer. ''
As a customer, I would not accept any software engineer who thinks
that he can prove his software works right in the case of something as
complex as an Ada compiler.

Regards,
   Geert Bosch
--
E-Mail: geert@sun3.iaf.nl     *** As far as we know, there have not been ***
 Phone: +31-53-4303054        ** any undetected failures in our software. **





  parent reply	other threads:[~1996-03-31  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1996-03-25  0:00 Ada Core Technologies and Ada95 Standards Kenneth Mays
1996-03-25  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-28  0:00   ` John McCabe
1996-03-28  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-29  0:00       ` John McCabe
1996-03-29  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-01  0:00           ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-01  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-02  0:00               ` John McCabe
1996-04-02  0:00               ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-02  0:00                 ` John McCabe
1996-04-02  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1996-04-02  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-03  0:00                     ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-04  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-04  0:00                         ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-05  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-10  0:00                             ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-10  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-10  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-12  0:00                     ` Philip Brashear
1996-04-12  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-15  0:00                     ` Tiring Arguments Around (not about) Two Questions Ken Garlington
1996-04-15  0:00                       ` Gary McKee
1996-04-16  0:00                         ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-17  0:00                       ` Kenneth Almquist
1996-04-18  0:00                     ` Ada Core Technologies and Ada95 Standards John McCabe
1996-04-19  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-22  0:00                         ` John McCabe
1996-04-23  0:00                           ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-24  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-26  0:00                               ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-24  0:00                             ` John McCabe
1996-04-24  0:00                               ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-26  0:00                                 ` John McCabe
1996-04-26  0:00                                 ` John McCabe
1996-04-26  0:00                                 ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-25  0:00                               ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-24  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-26  0:00                             ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-27  0:00                               ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-22  0:00                         ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-15  0:00                   ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-16  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-16  0:00                       ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-16  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-02  0:00             ` John McCabe
1996-04-02  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1996-04-16  0:00                 ` John McCabe
1996-04-16  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-22  0:00                     ` John McCabe
1996-04-23  0:00                       ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-24  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-26  0:00                           ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-27  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-29  0:00                               ` Cordes MJ
1996-04-29  0:00                                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-05-06  0:00                                   ` John McCabe
1996-05-06  0:00                                     ` Robert Dewar
1996-05-08  0:00                                       ` John McCabe
1996-05-08  0:00                                         ` TARTAN and TI Tom Robinson
1996-05-09  0:00                                           ` Arthur Evans Jr
     [not found]                                         ` <Dr46LG.2FF@world.std.com>
1996-05-09  0:00                                           ` Ada Core Technologies and Ada95 Standards John McCabe
1996-05-07  0:00                                     ` Mike Cordes
1996-05-07  0:00                                     ` Mike Cordes
1996-04-10  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-15  0:00               ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-16  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-16  0:00                   ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-16  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-18  0:00                       ` Ken Garlington
1996-03-31  0:00         ` Geert Bosch [this message]
1996-04-01  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-01  0:00             ` Mike Young
1996-04-03  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-29  0:00   ` steved
1996-03-29  0:00     ` Applet Magic works great, sort of Bob Crispen
1996-03-29  0:00   ` Vince Del Vecchio
1996-04-03  0:00   ` Ada Core Technologies and Ada95 Standards Robert I. Eachus
1996-04-03  0:00   ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-04  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-04  0:00       ` John McCabe
1996-04-05  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-06  0:00           ` Ada validation is virtually worthless Raj Thomas
1996-04-06  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-08  0:00               ` Arthur Evans Jr
1996-04-07  0:00           ` Ada Core Technologies and Ada95 Standards John McCabe
1996-04-05  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-04-10  0:00     ` Cordes MJ
1996-04-10  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-15  0:00         ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-16  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-16  0:00             ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-16  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-11  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-04-11  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-04-19  0:00   ` Laurent Guerby
1996-04-25  0:00   ` Tiring Arguments Around (not about) Two Questions [VERY LONG] Laurent Guerby
1996-04-26  0:00   ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-29  0:00     ` Philip Brashear
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1996-04-01  0:00 Ada Core Technologies and Ada95 Standards Simon Johnston
1996-04-24  0:00 W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1996-04-25  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-25  0:00   ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-04-25  0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-29  0:00 Marin David Condic, 407.796.8997, M/S 731-93
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