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From: John G. Volan <John_Volan@ccmail.dayton.saic.com>
Subject: Re: Side-effect arithmetic again [was: Ada ... in embedded systems]
Date: 1996/03/30
Date: 1996-03-30T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4jk96p$ftv@dayuc.dayton.saic.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Dp1Gxq.15M@world.std.com

In article <Dp1Dx7.LrI.0.-s@inmet.camb.inmet.com>
Tucker Taft, stt@henning.camb.inmet.com writes:

>In the suggested replacement,
>where both operands are the result of 'Pos, the "preference"
>rule for root numeric types (8.6(14)) will mean that they will both
>be converted to root_integer, whose run-time base range is
>defined to be System.Min_Int .. System.Max_Int.
>See RM95 8.6(29) and 3.5.4(14).

Okay, then it seems that this usage of 'Pos/'Val takes a discrete Item
type value and a Standard.Positive value, expands both to the largest
available integer size, adds them together, and then contracts the
result back down to the size of the discrete Item type. If I've got
that right, then this seems an inordinately expensive way of doing a
simple addition/subtraction operation, just to achieve generality
across all discrete types.

(Of course, if Standard.Integer and the position numbers for Item type
both already happen to correspond to the largest available integer type
on your implementation, then no expansion and contraction would be
done.  But these days typically Standard.Integer is 32 bits and
Standard.Long_Long_Integer is 64 bits, at least with most GNAT ports
I've seen.)

If we're going to do this for enumerated types, then I'd just assume
stick with the original formula of:

    Item'Val(Item'Pos(This) + By)
    
which would wind up using the "+" for Standard.Integer.  As I understand
it, whatever range you get for Standard.Integer is guaranteed to be
implemented optimally well on whatever target architecture you're
compiling for, and that range should correspond to what's possible for
enumerated types.

For an integer or modular Item type, I'd favor the more direct approach
of using whatever "+"/"-" operator that type happened to have, and just
let both parameters of the procedure be that type, as I described in
the Integer_Arithmetic and Modular_Arithmetic packages.

Same deal for Floating_Arithmetic and Fixed_Arithmetic, by the way.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~1996-03-30  0:00 UTC|newest]

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     [not found]   ` <dewar.823962356@schonberg>
1996-02-17  0:00     ` Ada is almost useless in embedded systems Tore Joergensen
1996-02-17  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-02-19  0:00       ` Keith Thompson
1996-02-19  0:00         ` John McCabe
1996-02-21  0:00           ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-02-21  0:00             ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-02-19  0:00 ` R.A.L Williams
1996-02-21  0:00   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-02-19  0:00 ` AdaWorks
1996-02-21  0:00   ` Ken Garlington
1996-02-23  0:00     ` AdaWorks
1996-02-19  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
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     [not found]   ` <311E924E.74CE@escmail.orl.mmc.com>
1996-02-17  0:00     ` Ada is great for embedded systems (was Ada is almost useless in embedded systems) Ken & Virginia Garlington
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1996-02-19  0:00     ` Ada is almost useless in embedded systems AdaWorks
1996-02-21  0:00       ` Ken Garlington
1996-02-21  0:00       ` Hugh Dunne
     [not found]   ` <4fnp37$nj1@theopolis.orl.mmc.com>
1996-02-22  0:00     ` Alan Brain
1996-02-26  0:00 ` R.A.L Williams
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     [not found]     ` <dewar.825635955@schonberg>
     [not found]       ` <826571250.140@assen.demon.co.uk>
     [not found]         ` <dewar.826634800@schonberg>
1996-03-21  0:00           ` John McCabe
1996-03-23  0:00             ` Side-effect arithmetic again [was: Ada ... in embedded systems] John G. Volan
1996-03-23  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-25  0:00                 ` Tucker Taft
1996-03-25  0:00                   ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-03-25  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-26  0:00               ` John G. Volan
1996-03-26  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-29  0:00                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-03-26  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-26  0:00                   ` Tore Joergensen
1996-03-27  0:00                     ` John G. Volan
1996-03-29  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-30  0:00                         ` John G. Volan
1996-03-31  0:00                           ` AdaWorks
1996-04-01  0:00                           ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-30  0:00                         ` John G. Volan [this message]
1996-03-27  0:00                     ` John G. Volan
1996-03-28  0:00                       ` Tucker Taft
1996-03-28  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-29  0:00                           ` Tucker Taft
1996-03-29  0:00                             ` Tucker Taft
1996-03-27  0:00                     ` John G. Volan
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1996-02-17  0:00           ` Ada is almost useless in embedded systems Ken & Virginia Garlington
1996-02-17  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-02-18  0:00               ` John McCabe
1996-02-18  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-02-19  0:00                   ` John McCabe
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1996-02-17  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-02-18  0:00             ` John McCabe
1996-02-18  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-02-19  0:00                 ` John McCabe
1996-02-20  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1996-02-21  0:00                   ` Fergus Henderson
     [not found]       ` <4fs7ml$cf1@rational.rational.com>
1996-02-26  0:00         ` Ada 83 " Alan Brain
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1996-03-15  0:00                     ` Bug or Limitation? (was: Ada is almost useless in embedded systems) Robert Dewar
1996-03-16  0:00                       ` Ted Dennison
1996-03-20  0:00                         ` Side-effect arithmetic again [was: Ada ... in embedded systems] Robert I. Eachus
1996-03-20  0:00                           ` John G. Volan
1996-03-22  0:00                             ` Alan Brain
1996-03-20  0:00                           ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-21  0:00                             ` Peter Hermann
1996-03-21  0:00                               ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-25  0:00                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-03-28  0:00                               ` Mats Weber
1996-03-29  0:00                                 ` John G. Volan
1996-03-21  0:00                           ` Geert Bosch
1996-03-26  0:00                           ` Mats Weber
1996-03-15  0:00   ` Ada is almost useless in embedded systems Robert I. Eachus
1996-03-18  0:00     ` Alan Brain
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1996-03-18  0:00         ` Side-effect arithmetic again [was: Ada ... in embedded systems] Robert Dewar
1996-03-19  0:00           ` Jay Martin
1996-03-21  0:00             ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-03-19  0:00           ` Norman H. Cohen
     [not found]     ` <dirk.827148504@demokrit>
1996-03-18  0:00       ` Ada is almost useless in embedded systems David Weller
1996-03-16  0:00 ` Kevin Dalley
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