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From: John G. Volan <John_Volan@ccmail.dayton.saic.com>
Subject: Re: some questions re. Ada/GNAT from a C++/GCC user
Date: 1996/03/29
Date: 1996-03-29T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4jhe1v$m0g@dayuc.dayton.saic.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: ROGOFF.96Mar28134118@sccm.Stanford.EDU

In article <315AC5E7.3A77@escmail.orl.mmc.com>
Ted Dennison, dennison@escmail.orl.mmc.com writes:

>If you want to declare variables later in the code just 
>use a declare block:
>   declare
>      Var1 : My_Type;
>      ...
>   begin
>      Var1 := My_Value;
>      ...
>   end;
>
>This has the added benefit of limiting the scope of Var1 to the
>begin..end  block of code.

There is another benefit, but it isn't obvious unless you take into
account the concurrency aspects of Ada:

A C programmer would complain about having to introduce an extra
begin/end block in order to introduce variables.  Isn't the scope
of a variable well-defined in C, even without this extra baggage?
It just extends from the declaration to the end of whatever block
you're already in.

An Ada programmer would counter that, in Ada, some variables might be
instances of _task_ types.  By definition, a task object gets created
when its declaration is elaborated, but it does not get _activated_
(i.e., it doesn't start executing its statements) until you hit the
"begin" of the enclosing block.  This guarantees that everything in the
enclosing declarative region is elaborated before any a task starts up.
In fact, _all_ the tasks in a declarative region are activated by the
"begin", simultaneously.  (Or virtually simultaneously. The point is,
Ada does not prescribe any particular order of activation, and does not
preclude truly simultaneous activation if the underlying run time
environment can support it.)  In effect, if a declarative region
contains tasks, then there is a synchronization point at the "begin"
which the Ada programmer can rely on.

C, of course, has no concurrency abstractions built in (nor does C++,
last time I checked), so, gee, I guess this isn't an issue in C. :-)

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  reply	other threads:[~1996-03-29  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1996-03-27  0:00 some questions re. Ada/GNAT from a C++/GCC user Bill Newman
1996-03-27  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-28  0:00   ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-03-28  0:00   ` Brian Rogoff
1996-03-29  0:00     ` John G. Volan [this message]
1996-03-30  0:00       ` Mike Young
1996-03-30  0:00         ` Ted Dennison
1996-03-31  0:00           ` Mike Young
1996-03-30  0:00       ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-31  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-01  0:00           ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-03-31  0:00         ` John G. Volan
1996-03-31  0:00           ` Mike Young
1996-04-02  0:00             ` Glenn H. Porter
1996-04-02  0:00               ` Jonas Nygren
1996-04-02  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-03  0:00               ` Geert Bosch
1996-04-03  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-01  0:00           ` Robert A Duff
1996-04-03  0:00             ` Scott Leschke
1996-04-04  0:00               ` AdaWorks
1996-04-01  0:00           ` Bruce.Conroy
1996-04-01  0:00       ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-04-01  0:00         ` Robert A Duff
1996-04-01  0:00           ` Mike Young
1996-04-02  0:00             ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-04-02  0:00             ` Robert A Duff
1996-04-01  0:00         ` Mike Young
1996-04-02  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-02  0:00           ` David Shochat
1996-04-02  0:00             ` Mike Young
1996-04-02  0:00           ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-03-28  0:00 ` Scott Leschke
1996-03-29  0:00   ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-30  0:00     ` Richard Pitre
1996-03-30  0:00       ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-31  0:00         ` AdaWorks
1996-04-01  0:00           ` Robert A Duff
1996-04-01  0:00             ` AdaWorks
1996-04-01  0:00               ` Mike Young
1996-04-02  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-02  0:00                 ` AdaWorks
1996-04-01  0:00             ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-01  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1996-04-02  0:00                 ` Tucker Taft
1996-04-02  0:00                   ` Felaco
1996-04-02  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-03  0:00                     ` Mark A Biggar
1996-04-02  0:00                 ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-02  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1996-04-02  0:00                     ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-02  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1996-04-03  0:00                         ` David Emery
1996-04-03  0:00                         ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-09  0:00                           ` Matt Kennel
1996-04-01  0:00             ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-04-01  0:00         ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-04-01  0:00           ` Robert A Duff
1996-04-01  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-02  0:00       ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-03-29  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-03-29  0:00   ` Bill Newman
1996-03-28  0:00 ` Ted Dennison
1996-03-29  0:00   ` Adam Beneschan
1996-03-29  0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-29  0:00   ` Brian Rogoff
1996-04-01  0:00     ` Mark A Biggar
1996-04-01  0:00       ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-30  0:00   ` Iterators (was Re: some questions re. Ada/GNAT from a C++/GCC user) Robert I. Eachus
1996-03-31  0:00     ` Mike Young
1996-03-31  0:00       ` Fergus Henderson
1996-04-01  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
     [not found]   ` <4jlj79$h1k@Nntp1.mcs.net>
1996-04-01  0:00     ` some questions re. Ada/GNAT from a C++/GCC user Robert A Duff
1996-04-02  0:00       ` Kevin Cline
1996-04-02  0:00         ` Robert A Duff
1996-04-04  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-03-30  0:00 ` Simon Wright
1996-04-01  0:00 ` Laurent Guerby
1996-04-01  0:00   ` Robert A Duff
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1996-03-28  0:00 Simon Johnston
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