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From: ok@goanna.cs.rmit.EDU.AU (Richard A. O'Keefe)
Subject: Re: C/C++ ... out of Ada
Date: 1996/02/23
Date: 1996-02-23T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4gjtj3$2ns@goanna.cs.rmit.EDU.AU> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 4ghv7r$10f5@watnews1.watson.ibm.com

ncohen@watson.ibm.com (Norman H. Cohen) writes:

>In article <4ggt07$7mm@goanna.cs.rmit.EDU.AU>, ok@goanna.cs.rmit.EDU.AU
>(Richard A. O'Keefe) writes: 

>|> PL/I-style "record" I/O is also not supported by Ada 95.

>Sequential_IO provides the basic capabilities of PL/I record I/O,
>although it is obviously not a clone of that facility.

I think it would be considerably more accurate to say that Sequential_IO
provides the basic capability of Pascal I/O.  Most of the interesting bits
in PL/I are missing, and sometimes they can be useful.

Package Ada.Sequential_IO takes Element_Type(<>) as generic parameter,
and provides

	File_Type, File_Mode, Create, Open, Close, Delete, Reset,
	Mode, Name, Form, Is_Open, a bunch of exceptions, and

	Read(File, Item), Write(File, Item)

as the only transfer operations.  Now, when I use fread() in UNIX, the data
are transferred from disc to OS buffers, from OS buffers to a stdio buffer,
and thence to my object (2 memory-memory copies), and when I use fwrite()
the same happens.

One of the key features of PL/I record I/O was "locate mode"

Let's see how something like that could be specified in Ada.

	Read_Locate(File, Location)
	-- return access to a record
	Read_Release(File, Location)
	-- releases the record area for re-use

	Write_Locate(File, Location)
	-- return access to a writable record
	Write_Release(File, Location)
	-- releases the record for output

so

	generic

	    type Element_Type(<>) is private;
	    Record_Areas: Positive := 1;

	package Locate_Mode_IO is

	    type Input_Element_Location is access constant Element_Type;
	    type Output_Element_Location is access Element_Type;

	    type File_Type is limited private;
	    type File_Mode is (In_File, In_Out_File, Out_File, Append_File);

	    Open, Close, Delete, Reset, Mode, Name, Form, Is_Open,
	    and End_Of_File declared as in Sequential_IO.

	    exception Record_Areas_Exhausted;
	    -- the generic parameter Record_Areas says how many record
	    -- area pointers can be in client hands for a single file.
	    -- E.g. if Record_Areas = 2, then
	    --	Read_Locate(F, X1);	-- ok
	    --	Read_Locate(F, X2);	-- ok
	    --	Read_Locate(F, X3);	-- Record_Areas_Exhausted

	    exception Released_To_Wrong_File;
	    -- In a call to Read_Release(F, L), the value of L must have
	    -- been obtained by a call to Read_Locate(F, L) with the same
	    -- parameters.  Ditto for Write_Release/Write_Locate; 

	    procedure Read_Locate  (File: in File_Type;
				    Area: out Input_Element_Location);
	    -- if not at end of file, reads a record into a record area
	    -- and sets Area to point to that record area.

	    procedure Read_Release (File: in File_Type;
				    Area: in out Input_Element_Location);
	    -- returns the Area to the File's control, sets Area to null.

	    procedure Write_Locate (File: in File_Type;
				    Area: out Output_Element_Location);
	    procedure Write_Release(File: in File_Type;
				    Area: in out Output_Element_Location);

	end Locate_Mode_IO;

Here's how it would be used:

	with Locate_Mode_IO;

	procdure Main is
	    type Foo_Bar is record ... end record;

	    package Foo_Bar_IO is new Locate_Mode_IO(
		Element_Type => Foo_Bar, Record_Areas => 10);

	    use Foo_Bar_IO;

	    Source: File_Type;
	    Source_Ptr: Input_Element_Location;

	    Destination: File_Type;
	    Destination_Ptr: Output_Element_Location;

	begin
	    Open(Source, In_File, "foobar.dat");
	    Create(Destination, Out_File, "foobar.cpy");
	    while not End_Of_File(Source) loop
		Read_Locate(Source, Source_Ptr);
		Write_Locate(Destination, Destination_Ptr);
		Destination_Ptr.all := Source_Ptr.all;
		Read_Release(Source, Source_Ptr);
		Write_Release(Destination, Destination_Ptr);
	    end loop;
	    Close(Source);
	    Close(Destination);
	end Main;

What's the point of this?  Well, in a typical implementation of Sequential_IO,

    read a record:
	disc -> OS buffer -> file buffer -> internal variable
    write a record
	internal variable -> file buffer -> OS buffer -> disc

That's FOUR memory->memory transfers.  With locate mode IO,

    read a record:
	disc -> OS buffer -> file buffer 1
    copy the record
	file buffer 1 -> file buffer 2
    write a record
	file buffer 2 -> OS buffer -> disc

That's THREE memory->memory transfers.  Copying is about the worst case:
if you are just reading or just writing a file, you cut out half of the
memory transfers,

Then there's the matter of "rewrite".

>|> It might actually be worth discussing this at some time; what did DEC Ada
>|> do about RMS?

>DEC adopted a gcc-based Ada compiler for the Alpha.

That doesn't answer the question at all.  I'm not asking about what
_compiler_ they use, I'm asking "what do they do about interfacing to
and exploiting Open VMS facilities".

>(I presume that by RMS you mean Richard M. Stallman. ;-) )

I presume that Norman Cohen knows what I really meant, but for the benefit
of readers who don't, I meant "Record Management Services".



Look, I'm not an Ada basher.  I love Ada.  Ada does not try to do everything.
There is nothing in the Ada 95 standard that says someone _can't_ write a
package like the one I outlined above.  Indeed, Ada + POSIX binding provides
a firm basis for writing and experimenting with alternative IO models.  (I'd
better save this message and see if any student is interested in doing it
for a project.)  

-- 
Election time; but how to get Labor _out_ without letting Liberal _in_?
Richard A. O'Keefe; http://www.cs.rmit.edu.au/~ok; RMIT Comp.Sci.




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1996-04-16  0:00                                                   ` Chuck Karish
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1996-04-12  0:00                               ` Peter Seebach
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1996-04-09  0:00                             ` Kazimir Kylheku
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1996-04-10  0:00                                 ` Kazimir Kylheku
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1996-04-19  0:00                                   ` Bradd W. Szonye
1996-04-19  0:00                                     ` Robert Dewar
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1996-04-09  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
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1996-04-09  0:00                             ` Peter Seebach
1996-04-10  0:00                               ` Robert Dewar
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1996-04-11  0:00                             ` Robert A Duff
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1996-04-12  0:00                                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-13  0:00                                   ` Chuck Karish
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1996-04-19  0:00                                       ` Bradd W. Szonye
1996-04-19  0:00                                         ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-22  0:00                                           ` Peter Seebach
1996-04-19  0:00                                         ` David Emery
1996-04-23  0:00                                         ` Keith Thompson
1996-04-13  0:00                               ` ANSI C and POSIX Laurent Guerby
1996-04-15  0:00                                 ` Chuck Karish
1996-04-16  0:00                                   ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-16  0:00                                     ` Chuck Karish
1996-04-16  0:00                                       ` David Emery
1996-04-17  0:00                                         ` Chuck Karish
1996-04-18  0:00                                           ` David Emery
1996-04-16  0:00                                       ` Robert Dewar
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1996-04-19  0:00                                           ` Bradd W. Szonye
1996-04-19  0:00                                             ` Kazimir Kylheku
1996-04-19  0:00                                             ` Peter Seebach
1996-04-20  0:00                                               ` Bradd W. Szonye
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1996-04-19  0:00                                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-23  0:00                                   ` Bradd W. Szonye
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1996-04-20  0:00                                   ` Bradd W. Szonye
1996-04-11  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
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1996-04-09  0:00                       ` Peter Seebach
1996-04-09  0:00                       ` Kazimir Kylheku
1996-04-25  0:00                       ` BLUE
1996-04-08  0:00                   ` Szu-Wen Huang
1996-04-08  0:00                     ` James McIninch
1996-04-08  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-11  0:00                         ` Keith Thompson
1996-04-19  0:00                         ` Bradd W. Szonye
1996-04-08  0:00                       ` Fergus Henderson
1996-04-08  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-19  0:00                         ` Bradd W. Szonye
1996-04-20  0:00                           ` Fergus Henderson
1996-04-20  0:00                             ` Bradd W. Szonye
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1996-04-08  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-19  0:00                           ` Bradd W. Szonye
1996-04-10  0:00                 ` Tom Payne
1996-04-10  0:00                 ` Matt Austern
1996-04-10  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
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1996-04-08  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
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1996-04-08  0:00                       ` POSIX/Unix conformance (was: ANSI C and POSIX ...) David Emery
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1996-04-13  0:00                           ` David Emery
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1996-04-10  0:00                         ` Dan Pop
1996-04-09  0:00                           ` Danette & Murray Root
1996-04-11  0:00                         ` Tom Wheeley
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1996-02-24  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-02-24  0:00                 ` JR Crosmer
1996-02-27  0:00                   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-02-26  0:00                 ` James O'Connor
     [not found]             ` <4ggshe$7bk@go <4gh5r8$i2@mailhub.scitec.com.au>
1996-02-22  0:00               ` Nasser Abbasi
1996-02-22  0:00                 ` design never happens? Gary McKee
1996-02-22  0:00                 ` C/C++ knocks the crap out of Ada Robert Dewar
1996-02-23  0:00                 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-02-23  0:00             ` Tom Payne
     [not found]         ` <3124B43F.19E0@escmail.orl.mmc.com>
     [not found]           ` <4g2r2r$ded@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov>
1996-02-17  0:00             ` C/C++ knocks the Robert Dewar
1996-02-17  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-02-18  0:00               ` Ray Toal
1996-02-18  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-02-18  0:00             ` Tucker Taft
1996-02-22  0:00               ` Large Scale OO Development (was Re: C/C++ knocks the ....) Don Harrison
1996-02-22  0:00               ` C/C++ knocks the Matt Kennel
1996-02-24  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1996-02-19  0:00             ` Jon S Anthony
1996-02-20  0:00               ` Ray Toal
1996-02-20  0:00                 ` David Weller
1996-02-21  0:00                 ` John DiCamillo
1996-02-23  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1996-02-23  0:00               ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-02-24  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1996-02-25  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-02-19  0:00         ` C/C++ knocks the crap out of Ada Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-02-21  0:00           ` Ramses Youhana
1996-02-21  0:00           ` Peter Seebach
1996-02-21  0:00           ` Peter Seebach
     [not found]         ` <4g2vn3$rgi@dfw.dfw.net>
1996-02-18  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-02-19  0:00             ` AdaWorks
1996-02-23  0:00             ` Ghost In The Machine
1996-02-24  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-02-25  0:00                 ` Ghost In The Machine
1996-02-19  0:00           ` Ramses Youhana
1996-02-19  0:00             ` Ian S. Nelson
1996-02-21  0:00             ` Peter Seebach
1996-02-20  0:00     ` Matt Austern
1996-02-20  0:00     ` Ketil Z Malde
1996-02-23  0:00     ` Matthias Blume
1996-02-25  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-02-26  0:00   ` Matt Austern
1996-02-26  0:00   ` Matt Austern
1996-03-15  0:00 ` Kazimir Kylheku
1996-03-16  0:00   ` Jay Martin
1996-03-17  0:00     ` Kazimir Kylheku
1996-03-19  0:00     ` Sheldon White
1996-03-20  0:00       ` Jay Martin
1996-03-16  0:00 ` Jay Martin
1996-03-20  0:00   ` David Taylor
     [not found] ` <Pine.A32.3.91.960313165249.124278B-100000@red.weeg.uiowa.edu>
     [not found]   ` <4i9ld6$m2v@rational.rational.com>
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1996-03-15  0:00       ` Kazimir Kylheku
1996-03-15  0:00         ` Jay Martin
1996-03-15  0:00       ` Kazimir Kylheku
1996-03-15  0:00       ` Ian Johnston (by ubsswop)
1996-03-15  0:00       ` Peter Seebach
1996-03-16  0:00       ` Zsoter Andras
1996-03-19  0:00         ` Kazimir Kylheku
1996-03-21  0:00         ` Glenn H. Porter
1996-03-17  0:00       ` Unix Haters Alan Brain
1996-03-22  0:00         ` moi
1996-03-24  0:00           ` Tore Joergensen
1996-03-24  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-26  0:00               ` Wallace E. Owen
1996-03-26  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-26  0:00                   ` Richard Pitre
1996-03-27  0:00                     ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-03-27  0:00                       ` Richard Pitre
1996-03-28  0:00                   ` Kenneth Mays
1996-03-26  0:00                 ` Tore Joergensen
1996-03-26  0:00           ` Erik W. Anderson
1996-03-26  0:00           ` Erik W. Anderson
1996-04-01  0:00             ` Anthony Shih Hao Lee
1996-03-26  0:00           ` Erik W. Anderson
1996-03-27  0:00           ` Verne Arase
1996-03-27  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-28  0:00               ` Gary Fiber
1996-03-28  0:00               ` James McIninch
1996-03-28  0:00                 ` Ian Ward
1996-03-28  0:00                   ` Larry Weiss
1996-04-01  0:00                   ` Laurence Barea
1996-04-02  0:00                     ` Ian Ward
1996-04-08  0:00                       ` Laurence Barea
1996-04-09  0:00                         ` Ian Ward
1996-03-28  0:00               ` Robert L. Spooner, AD3K
1996-03-28  0:00                 ` Dan Pop
1996-03-28  0:00                 ` Kazimir Kylheku
1996-03-28  0:00               ` Jeff Dege
1996-03-28  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-28  0:00               ` Robert Crawford
1996-03-29  0:00               ` Verne Arase
1996-03-30  0:00               ` Thomas Koenig
1996-03-30  0:00               ` fredex
1996-03-31  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-01  0:00                   ` Dan Pop
1996-04-01  0:00                   ` Peter Seebach
1996-04-01  0:00                     ` Tom Payne
1996-04-01  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-04  0:00                       ` Dan Pop
1996-04-05  0:00                       ` Edwin Lim
1996-04-06  0:00                       ` Wallace E. Owen
1996-04-01  0:00                   ` Lawrence Kirby
1996-04-10  0:00                     ` Steve Detoni
1996-04-11  0:00                       ` Lawrence Kirby
     [not found]                   ` <4jok7f$1l2@solutions.s <4jp1rh$22l@galaxy.ucr.edu>
1996-04-04  0:00                     ` sfms
1996-03-31  0:00               ` Kengo Hashimoto
1996-04-02  0:00                 ` Kazimir Kylheku
1996-04-02  0:00                   ` The Amorphous Mass
1996-04-02  0:00               ` Max Waterman
1996-03-27  0:00             ` Richard Pitre
1996-03-20  0:00       ` Ada Parsing Tools (was Re: C/C++ knocks the crap out of Ada) John Woodruff
1996-03-20  0:00       ` Mike Young
1996-03-21  0:00         ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-22  0:00           ` 
1996-03-22  0:00             ` 
1996-03-21  0:00         ` Kazimir Kylheku
     [not found] ` <31442F19.6C13@lfwc.lockheed.com>
     [not found]   ` <4i26uhINNsd@keats.ugrad.cs.ubc.ca>
     [not found]     ` <31457584.2475@lfwc.lockheed.com>
     [not found]       ` <4i4s5f$igc@solutions.solon.com>
     [not found]         ` <3146E324.5C1E@lfwc.lockheed.com>
     [not found]           ` <4i98gg$8n1@solutions.solon.com>
1996-03-15  0:00             ` Logic (was " Ken Garlington
     [not found]             ` <Do9tMv.2p3@world.std.com>
     [not found]               ` <4ia41k$e04@solutions.solon.com>
1996-03-18  0:00                 ` C/C++ knocks the crap out of Ada Norman H. Cohen
1996-03-21  0:00                   ` Gripe about Ada, rep specs that won't Doug Rogers
1996-03-20  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-21  0:00                       ` Doug Rogers
1996-03-21  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-22  0:00                           ` Ken Garlington
1996-03-22  0:00                         ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-21  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-22  0:00                           ` Doug Rogers
1996-03-22  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-23  0:00                               ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-23  0:00                                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-24  0:00                                   ` Robert A Duff
     [not found]                                     ` <dewar.827698571@schonberg>
1996-03-25  0:00                                       ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-25  0:00                                         ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-26  0:00                                           ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-26  0:00                                             ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-26  0:00                                               ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-26  0:00                                                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-26  0:00                                                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-26  0:00                                               ` Doug Rogers
1996-03-26  0:00                                                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-25  0:00                                 ` Doug Rogers
1996-03-25  0:00                                   ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-22  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-22  0:00                             ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-22  0:00                               ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-22  0:00                     ` Pascal OBRY
1996-03-22  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-22  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-22  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-22  0:00                     ` Laurent Guerby
1996-03-22  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-22  0:00                         ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-03-22  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-22  0:00                         ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-25  0:00                     ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-03-25  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-25  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-19  0:00                 ` C/C++ knocks the crap out of Ada Charles H. Sampson
1996-03-19  0:00                   ` Peter Seebach
1996-03-15  0:00           ` Logic (was C/C++ knocks the crap out of Ada) Peter Seebach
     [not found]           ` <Pine.A32.3.91.960313165249.124278B-100000@ <4ic92p$2fa@ubszh.fh.zh.ubs.com>
1996-03-29  0:00             ` C/C++ knocks the crap out of Ada mich
1996-03-21  0:00       ` Ron Collins
1996-03-28  0:00   ` Unix Haters Dan Pop
1996-03-30  0:00     ` Lawrence Kirby
     [not found]       ` <danpop.828240895@rscernix>
1996-04-01  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-01  0:00           ` Mike Young
1996-04-11  0:00             ` morphis
1996-04-11  0:00               ` James McIninch
1996-04-11  0:00                 ` morphis
1996-04-12  0:00                 ` Teresa Reiko
1996-04-01  0:00           ` Michael Feldman
1996-04-01  0:00           ` Dan Pop
1996-04-03  0:00             ` Michael Feldman
1996-04-04  0:00               ` Dan Pop
1996-04-02  0:00   ` Ralf Graf
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