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From: ncohen@watson.ibm.com (Norman H. Cohen)
Subject: Re: Ada is almost useless in embedded systems
Date: 1996/02/21
Date: 1996-02-21T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4gffuq$10f5@watnews1.watson.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 4gechc$g26@goanna.cs.rmit.EDU.AU

In article <4gechc$g26@goanna.cs.rmit.EDU.AU>, ok@goanna.cs.rmit.EDU.AU
(Richard A. O'Keefe) writes: 

|> In defence of Lint, I have to say that all of the things it reports are
|> likely symptoms of serious errors, and that it is next door to impossible
|> to UNINTENTIONALLY ignore the serious errors.  The only way you can ignore
|> the serious errors is by not tracking down all the lint reports to see how
|> serious they are.  A typical experience with someone else's code might be
|>      - 16 000 lines of source code
|>      -  1 000 lines of lint warnings
|>      -     10 hours checking the lint warnings
|>      -     10 days fixing the serious bugs.
|> Many categories of warnings can easily be switched off.
|>
|> There are two real problems with lint.

You mean you don't consider the ten hours checking the lint warnings (let
alone ten days fixing only the "serious" bugs) to be a "real problem"?
Or did I miss your smiley?

|> (1) The declarations of C do not provide enough information for really
|>     effective checking.  (E.g. all integer types are compatible.)

Indeed.

|> (2) There are legions of C programmers who apply lint, if at all, far too
|>     late in the life cycle, after they have already populated their code
|>     with tons of lint.

Not an option with Ada.  You can't get a successful compilation until
your code has been delinted.

--
Norman H. Cohen    ncohen@watson.ibm.com




  reply	other threads:[~1996-02-21  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <823906039.22113@assen.demon.co.uk>
     [not found] ` <4fgrq3$mc4@qualcomm.com>
     [not found]   ` <dewar.823962356@schonberg>
1996-02-17  0:00     ` Ada is almost useless in embedded systems Tore Joergensen
1996-02-17  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-02-19  0:00       ` Keith Thompson
1996-02-19  0:00         ` John McCabe
1996-02-21  0:00           ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-02-21  0:00             ` Norman H. Cohen [this message]
     [not found] ` <824056183.18993@assen.demon.co.uk>
     [not found]   ` <311E924E.74CE@escmail.orl.mmc.com>
1996-02-17  0:00     ` Ada is great for embedded systems (was Ada is almost useless in embedded systems) Ken & Virginia Garlington
     [not found]   ` <4fnqpm$3nh@news.sanders.lockheed.com>
1996-02-19  0:00     ` Ada is almost useless in embedded systems AdaWorks
1996-02-21  0:00       ` Hugh Dunne
1996-02-21  0:00       ` Ken Garlington
     [not found]   ` <4fnp37$nj1@theopolis.orl.mmc.com>
1996-02-22  0:00     ` Alan Brain
1996-02-19  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-02-19  0:00 ` R.A.L Williams
1996-02-21  0:00   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-02-19  0:00 ` AdaWorks
1996-02-21  0:00   ` Ken Garlington
1996-02-23  0:00     ` AdaWorks
1996-02-26  0:00 ` R.A.L Williams
     [not found]   ` <4h3q56$1vk@goanna.cs.rmit.EDU.AU>
     [not found]     ` <dewar.825635955@schonberg>
     [not found]       ` <826571250.140@assen.demon.co.uk>
     [not found]         ` <dewar.826634800@schonberg>
1996-03-21  0:00           ` John McCabe
1996-03-23  0:00             ` Side-effect arithmetic again [was: Ada ... in embedded systems] John G. Volan
1996-03-23  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-25  0:00                 ` Tucker Taft
1996-03-25  0:00                   ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-03-25  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-26  0:00               ` John G. Volan
1996-03-26  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-29  0:00                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-03-26  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-26  0:00                   ` Tore Joergensen
1996-03-27  0:00                     ` John G. Volan
1996-03-29  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-30  0:00                         ` John G. Volan
1996-03-31  0:00                           ` AdaWorks
1996-04-01  0:00                           ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-30  0:00                         ` John G. Volan
1996-03-27  0:00                     ` John G. Volan
1996-03-28  0:00                       ` Tucker Taft
1996-03-28  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-29  0:00                           ` Tucker Taft
1996-03-29  0:00                             ` Tucker Taft
1996-03-27  0:00                     ` John G. Volan
     [not found] ` <emery-0902962215150001@line316.nwm.mindlink.net>
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     [not found]   ` <823965654.4500@assen.demon.co.uk>
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     [not found]       ` <JSA.96Feb13133713@organon.com>
     [not found]         ` <824259217.26321@assen.demon.co.uk>
1996-02-17  0:00           ` Ada is almost useless in embedded systems Robert Dewar
1996-02-18  0:00             ` John McCabe
1996-02-18  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-02-19  0:00                 ` John McCabe
1996-02-20  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1996-02-21  0:00                   ` Fergus Henderson
     [not found]         ` <824332550.2485@assen.demon.co.uk>
1996-02-17  0:00           ` Ken & Virginia Garlington
1996-02-17  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-02-18  0:00               ` John McCabe
1996-02-18  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-02-19  0:00                   ` John McCabe
     [not found]       ` <4fs7ml$cf1@rational.rational.com>
1996-02-26  0:00         ` Ada 83 " Alan Brain
     [not found] ` <RALW.96Feb28100925@vulcan.gmrc.gecm.com>
     [not found]   ` <dewar.825775334@schonberg>
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     [not found]       ` <4hv2fb$6ra@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu>
     [not found]         ` <4xybp895y6.fsf@leibniz.enst-bretagne.fr>
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     [not found]             ` <dewar.826604375@schonberg>
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     [not found]                 ` <dewar.826829407@schonberg>
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1996-03-15  0:00                     ` Bug or Limitation? (was: Ada is almost useless in embedded systems) Robert Dewar
1996-03-16  0:00                       ` Ted Dennison
1996-03-20  0:00                         ` Side-effect arithmetic again [was: Ada ... in embedded systems] Robert I. Eachus
1996-03-20  0:00                           ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-21  0:00                             ` Peter Hermann
1996-03-21  0:00                               ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-25  0:00                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-03-28  0:00                               ` Mats Weber
1996-03-29  0:00                                 ` John G. Volan
1996-03-20  0:00                           ` John G. Volan
1996-03-22  0:00                             ` Alan Brain
1996-03-21  0:00                           ` Geert Bosch
1996-03-26  0:00                           ` Mats Weber
1996-03-15  0:00   ` Ada is almost useless in embedded systems Robert I. Eachus
     [not found]     ` <dirk.827148504@demokrit>
1996-03-18  0:00       ` David Weller
1996-03-18  0:00     ` Alan Brain
     [not found]       ` <4ik5bm$ogg@dayuc.dayton.saic.com>
1996-03-18  0:00         ` Side-effect arithmetic again [was: Ada ... in embedded systems] Robert Dewar
1996-03-19  0:00           ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-03-19  0:00           ` Jay Martin
1996-03-21  0:00             ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-03-16  0:00 ` Ada is almost useless in embedded systems Kevin Dalley
     [not found] <9603131418.AA01642@eight-ball>
1996-03-15  0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-03-15  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-18  0:00   ` Peter Hermann
1996-03-18  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-18  0:00   ` Stephen Crawley
1996-03-19  0:00 ` Laurent Guerby
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