From: ncohen@watson.ibm.com (Norman H. Cohen)
Subject: Re: Ada is almost useless in embedded systems
Date: 1996/02/21
Date: 1996-02-21T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4gffuq$10f5@watnews1.watson.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 4gechc$g26@goanna.cs.rmit.EDU.AU
In article <4gechc$g26@goanna.cs.rmit.EDU.AU>, ok@goanna.cs.rmit.EDU.AU
(Richard A. O'Keefe) writes:
|> In defence of Lint, I have to say that all of the things it reports are
|> likely symptoms of serious errors, and that it is next door to impossible
|> to UNINTENTIONALLY ignore the serious errors. The only way you can ignore
|> the serious errors is by not tracking down all the lint reports to see how
|> serious they are. A typical experience with someone else's code might be
|> - 16 000 lines of source code
|> - 1 000 lines of lint warnings
|> - 10 hours checking the lint warnings
|> - 10 days fixing the serious bugs.
|> Many categories of warnings can easily be switched off.
|>
|> There are two real problems with lint.
You mean you don't consider the ten hours checking the lint warnings (let
alone ten days fixing only the "serious" bugs) to be a "real problem"?
Or did I miss your smiley?
|> (1) The declarations of C do not provide enough information for really
|> effective checking. (E.g. all integer types are compatible.)
Indeed.
|> (2) There are legions of C programmers who apply lint, if at all, far too
|> late in the life cycle, after they have already populated their code
|> with tons of lint.
Not an option with Ada. You can't get a successful compilation until
your code has been delinted.
--
Norman H. Cohen ncohen@watson.ibm.com
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1996-02-17 0:00 ` Ada is almost useless in embedded systems Tore Joergensen
1996-02-17 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-02-19 0:00 ` Keith Thompson
1996-02-19 0:00 ` John McCabe
1996-02-21 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-02-21 0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen [this message]
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1996-02-17 0:00 ` Ada is great for embedded systems (was Ada is almost useless in embedded systems) Ken & Virginia Garlington
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1996-02-19 0:00 ` Ada is almost useless in embedded systems AdaWorks
1996-02-21 0:00 ` Hugh Dunne
1996-02-21 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
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1996-02-22 0:00 ` Alan Brain
1996-02-19 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-02-19 0:00 ` R.A.L Williams
1996-02-21 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-02-19 0:00 ` AdaWorks
1996-02-21 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-02-23 0:00 ` AdaWorks
1996-02-26 0:00 ` R.A.L Williams
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1996-03-21 0:00 ` John McCabe
1996-03-23 0:00 ` Side-effect arithmetic again [was: Ada ... in embedded systems] John G. Volan
1996-03-23 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-25 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1996-03-25 0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-03-25 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-26 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1996-03-26 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-29 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-03-26 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-26 0:00 ` Tore Joergensen
1996-03-27 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1996-03-29 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-30 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1996-03-31 0:00 ` AdaWorks
1996-04-01 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-30 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1996-03-27 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1996-03-28 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1996-03-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-29 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1996-03-29 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1996-03-27 0:00 ` John G. Volan
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1996-02-17 0:00 ` Ada is almost useless in embedded systems Robert Dewar
1996-02-18 0:00 ` John McCabe
1996-02-18 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-02-19 0:00 ` John McCabe
1996-02-20 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-02-21 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
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1996-02-17 0:00 ` Ken & Virginia Garlington
1996-02-17 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-02-18 0:00 ` John McCabe
1996-02-18 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-02-19 0:00 ` John McCabe
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1996-02-26 0:00 ` Ada 83 " Alan Brain
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1996-03-15 0:00 ` Bug or Limitation? (was: Ada is almost useless in embedded systems) Robert Dewar
1996-03-16 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
1996-03-20 0:00 ` Side-effect arithmetic again [was: Ada ... in embedded systems] Robert I. Eachus
1996-03-20 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-21 0:00 ` Peter Hermann
1996-03-21 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-25 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-03-28 0:00 ` Mats Weber
1996-03-29 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1996-03-20 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1996-03-22 0:00 ` Alan Brain
1996-03-21 0:00 ` Geert Bosch
1996-03-26 0:00 ` Mats Weber
1996-03-15 0:00 ` Ada is almost useless in embedded systems Robert I. Eachus
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1996-03-18 0:00 ` David Weller
1996-03-18 0:00 ` Alan Brain
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1996-03-18 0:00 ` Side-effect arithmetic again [was: Ada ... in embedded systems] Robert Dewar
1996-03-19 0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-03-19 0:00 ` Jay Martin
1996-03-21 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-03-16 0:00 ` Ada is almost useless in embedded systems Kevin Dalley
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1996-03-15 0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-03-15 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-18 0:00 ` Peter Hermann
1996-03-18 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-18 0:00 ` Stephen Crawley
1996-03-19 0:00 ` Laurent Guerby
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