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From: Georg Bauhaus <rm.dash-bauhaus@futureapps.de>
Subject: Re: Q: type ... is new String
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 14:20:14 +0200
Date: 2012-06-05T14:20:15+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4fcdf97f$0$9521$9b4e6d93@newsspool1.arcor-online.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1ch26v7folac1$.1gc355i72r55j.dlg@40tude.net>

On 05.06.12 11:06, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:

>> (All I see is subsequences of 2#bbbb_bbbb#. For the AI part,
>> I am told to produce the most likely information that the
>> originator might have intended to send.)
> 
> Bad design. Don't do that.

How is producing the most likely information from a piece
of data bad design? And who am I to say "I don't do that"?


> Do not conflate
> well-defined functionality, e.g. "send over socket", "render calendar page
> on the screen" with ill-defined stuff, like what is going on in someone's
> head.

What is going on in someone's head is precisely the information
I am looking for. It so happens that this includes resource
identifiers, and here, too, I need to guess the right one, because
the transport layer conveys mistakes, omissions, and
quadruped-on-the-keyboard-effects correctly.

And, again, I must rely on guesses in order to construct objects
from input, and will reconstruct them again, and again.

Is this about a trivially correct ADT again, to be fleshed out?

I can make a sufficiently simple type for URIs, signifying nothing,
and I can map any of those resource identifiers to objects of the type.
I do not even need a behavioral description of the type; it is
exactly that of strings (including a hashing function in the
language used).
So all the separate type does is that it forms a subset of strings.
Good.

That seems pretty close to Spolsky's safe/unsafe naming convention,
but better, if refactoring is needed, because a type is better
than an Emacs macro (to which he is referring somewhere).

> For broken design it is always too late. Fix the design.

The design as a whole is not in our hands, I should think. The design
is as is, dictated by a combination of current input and time available.

> How an incomplete definition is job done?

If
- foreign company's management says "Job done!" and
- foreign company works profitably,
= then an incomplete definition means job done.

The resulting "designed system" is not ideal, from my technical
point of view. But they need not care.


> Why should I care about description of naming schemes? I need a set of
> types describing file name valid in some specified environment.

Whenever there is a sufficient specification of an environment, fine.

Just saying that web documents are an example of when a specification
might be insufficient, if it exists at all.



  reply	other threads:[~2012-06-05 12:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-05-30 16:33 Q: type ... is new String tmoran
2012-05-30 17:04 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-05-31  7:37 ` Maciej Sobczak
2012-06-04  5:58   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-06-04  6:30     ` J-P. Rosen
2012-06-04  7:48       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-06-04  8:03         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-04  8:14           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-06-04  9:09             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-04 10:35         ` J-P. Rosen
2012-06-04  5:43 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-06-04 11:39 ` Brian Drummond
2012-06-04 13:36   ` Maciej Sobczak
2012-06-04 14:58     ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-04 15:14       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-04 16:06         ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-04 17:05           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-04 20:28             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-06-04 20:56             ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-05  7:32               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-05  8:40                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-05  9:06                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-05 12:20                     ` Georg Bauhaus [this message]
2012-06-05 13:14                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-06  4:09                       ` Shark8
2012-06-06  8:52                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-06 23:56                       ` Randy Brukardt
2012-06-07 11:15                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-06 23:51                 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-06-04 20:33         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-06-04 21:27           ` Georg Bauhaus
     [not found]             ` <m9kqs7hgii13e220b1phm46n43d92tu1pj@invalid.netcom.com>
2012-06-05  6:15               ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-05  6:36                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-06-06  4:14               ` Shark8
2012-06-07  0:01             ` Randy Brukardt
2012-06-07  0:20               ` Adam Beneschan
2012-06-05 12:05     ` Brian Drummond
2012-06-05 14:43       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-06-04 15:54   ` Shark8
2012-06-04 22:01     ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-06-05 12:10       ` Brian Drummond
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