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From: Georg Bauhaus <rm.dash-bauhaus@futureapps.de>
Subject: Re: Verified compilers?
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:52:58 +0100
Date: 2012-02-24T09:52:58+01:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4f474fea$0$6628$9b4e6d93@newsspool2.arcor-online.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <078983c8-845c-41d3-99e1-08968e9a1a9a@q12g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>

On 24.02.12 02:41, Shark8 wrote:

> I think the sentence shows a bit of solipsistic thinking on the part
> of the writer's view of languages; as everyone on this thread ought to
> know Ada's had verified compilers since its first implementations. (I
> am using 'verified' and 'certified' rather interchangeably here, if
> that's not the case though I'd like to hear what exactly the
> difference is.)

http://compcert.inria.fr/doc/

"Compcert is a compiler that generates PowerPC, ARM and x86 assembly
  code from Compcert C, a large subset of the C programming language.
  The particularity of this compiler is that it is written mostly
  within the specification language of the Coq proof assistant, and
  its correctness --- the fact that the generated assembly code is
  semantically equivalent to its source program --- was entirely
  proved within the Coq proof assistant."

The part saying

"the generated assembly code is semantically equivalent
  to its source program"

is the good bit. A result very different from a compiler's output
passing some test suite.

However, formal verification does not address the qualities of
the semantics, unless it does change the semantics of (the subset
of) C:
Whether or not a project will profit, then, from the
semantics of C's int, be it in C source text or in assembly code,
is unrelated to the formal verification of the translation,
I should think. The qualities of C's semantics would now be
verified to be inherent in C, though, and will be truthfully
reflected by the assembly code! ;-)




  reply	other threads:[~2012-02-24  8:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-02-21 15:42 Verified compilers? Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-02-24  1:41 ` Shark8
2012-02-24  8:52   ` Georg Bauhaus [this message]
2012-02-24 17:36   ` Peter C. Chapin
2012-03-06  1:27 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-03-06 17:24   ` Shark8
2012-03-06 17:43     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-03-06 19:03       ` Shark8
2012-03-07  5:33       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-03-07  9:12         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-03-07 17:49           ` Niklas Holsti
2012-03-07 20:17             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-03-07 23:28               ` Usefulness of Formal Notions in Programming (was: Verified compilers?) Georg Bauhaus
2012-03-08  9:24                 ` Usefulness of Formal Notions in Programming Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-03-08 10:30                   ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2012-03-08 12:37                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-03-08  0:42               ` Verified compilers? Randy Brukardt
2012-03-08  9:25                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-03-08 18:10                   ` Niklas Holsti
2012-03-08 20:41                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-03-08 18:02               ` Niklas Holsti
2012-03-08 20:40                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-03-09  0:44                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-03-09 22:13                   ` Niklas Holsti
2012-03-10 10:36                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-03-10 20:35                       ` Niklas Holsti
2012-03-11  9:47                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-03-11 22:22                           ` Niklas Holsti
2012-03-12  5:12                             ` Niklas Holsti
2012-03-12  9:43                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-03-14  8:36                               ` Niklas Holsti
2012-03-14  9:24                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-03-14 11:14                                   ` REAL (was: Verified compilers?) stefan-lucks
2012-03-14 12:59                                     ` REAL Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-03-14 13:30                                       ` REAL Georg Bauhaus
2012-03-14 13:51                                         ` REAL Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-03-14 20:37                                           ` REAL Brian Drummond
2012-03-14 21:52                                             ` REAL Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-03-14 13:52                                         ` REAL georg bauhaus
2012-03-14 17:42                                         ` REAL Jeffrey Carter
2012-03-14 10:14                                 ` Verified compilers? Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-03-14 20:13                                   ` Niklas Holsti
2012-03-11 10:55                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-03-10 13:46                     ` Brian Drummond
2012-03-07  1:00     ` Randy Brukardt
2012-03-07 12:42   ` Stuart
2012-03-08  1:06     ` Randy Brukardt
2012-03-08  9:04       ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2012-03-08  9:37         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-03-08 11:23           ` Simon Wright
2012-03-08 12:27             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-03-08 10:23         ` Brian Drummond
2012-03-08 23:38           ` Bill Findlay
2012-03-09 13:56             ` Brian Drummond
2012-03-09 14:43               ` Shark8
2012-03-09 21:51                 ` Brian Drummond
2012-03-09 15:49               ` Bill Findlay
2012-03-09 20:34                 ` Brian Drummond
2012-03-09 19:40               ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-03-09 20:39                 ` Brian Drummond
2012-03-09 23:59               ` phil.clayton
2012-03-08 15:23         ` Peter C. Chapin
2012-03-09  2:04         ` Randy Brukardt
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