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From: feathers@gate.net (Michael Feathers)
Subject: Re: Hungarian notation
Date: 1996/01/09
Date: 1996-01-09T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4ctomq$1pi8@hopi.gate.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 4csi2t$gsa@news.xmission.com

Todd Knarr (tknarr@xmission.com) wrote:
: In <4crm6i$24mi@navajo.gate.net>, feathers@gate.net (Michael Feathers) writes:
: >I've never seen a variable that can be any of 9 different types in C++.
: >All variables have a type.  Period.  A type can be a union or a base 
: >class, but all variables have one and only one type in C++.  If you don't
: >believe me, check the ARM.
: 
: You haven't worked with polymorphic classes as reference arguments or
: pointers much, then. I have the following class heirarchy:

Yeah, I have.

In your example (deleted for space) you mention that a
reference can stand in place for objects of any of its derived types.

I said that all variables have one-and-only-one-type.  The reference
itself is a variable (as pointers are) and it has a type.

This may seem like a quibbling point, but in OOP it should be a natural
assumption (because of polymorphism) that all objects of derived
classes should perform in a manner appropriate to their class in
the context of their base classes interfaces.  This is information
hiding, in much the same way as function names hide implementation 
yet provide semantic information.  If this is not the case, then the 
inheritance should be suspect.

: Give me an HN prefix that tells me that, in the following prototype
: 
: Stall *HardwareChangeSignalled( Stall& ExistingStall, int ByteCount,
:                                 unsigned char *aHardwareData );
: 
: the ExistingStall argument is one of the 9 subclasses and never a Stall,
: and the returned pointer is one of the 9 subclasses and never a pointer to
: Stall.

Why never a Stall?  If Stall's interface is present in any of its derived
classes, Stall calls should be resolved.

: Without such a prefix, you can readily get the obnoxious situation of a new
: programmer depending on the prefix and not realizing that he is dealing with
: a polymorphic type. This can cause him problems if he refers to the source
: code for Stall, depending on the HN prefix to be the actual type.

True enough, but I think that new OOP programmers should drill it into
their heads that references==pointers as far as polymorphism goes (and
in other ways too).  Polymorphism has to change the way that you understand
code.  We are not in Kansas any more. 




  reply	other threads:[~1996-01-09  0:00 UTC|newest]

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1996-01-08  0:00   ` Hungarian notation Joachim Durchholz
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1996-01-08  0:00       ` Michael Feathers
1996-01-08  0:00         ` vancleef
1996-01-09  0:00         `  Todd Knarr 
1996-01-09  0:00           ` Michael Feathers [this message]
     [not found]       ` <hawkfish-0801960904580001@blv-pm3-ip24.halcyon.com>
1996-01-09  0:00         `  Todd Knarr 
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     [not found]             ` <dewar.819489496@schonberg>
1996-01-08  0:00               ` Michael Feathers
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1996-01-08  0:00                 ` Bob Kitzberger
1996-01-08  0:00                 ` Adam Beneschan
1996-02-19  0:00 ` Number representation (was: Hungarian notation - whoops!) Richard A. O'Keefe
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1996-02-19  0:00         ` Hungarian notation - whoops! Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-02-21  0:00           ` Lawrence Kirby
1996-02-22  0:00           ` Kazimir Kylheku
1996-05-15  0:00 Hungarian notation Bob Crispen
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1996-05-13  0:00   ` Roger Merritt
1996-05-14  0:00     ` Keith Whittingham
1996-05-14  0:00       ` Dr S.J. Harris
1996-05-15  0:00         ` Gerolf Wendland
1996-05-16  0:00           ` mAg
1996-05-17  0:00             ` Arne W Flones
1996-05-21  0:00               ` Norman L. Reitzel   
1996-05-21  0:00                 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-05-22  0:00                   ` Peter Moylan
1996-05-23  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1996-05-23  0:00                       ` Steve Willer
1996-05-28  0:00                         ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-05-29  0:00                           ` Kevin Cline
1996-05-24  0:00                       ` Kevin Cline
1996-05-25  0:00                         ` Steve Willer
1996-06-05  0:00                         ` Ralph Silverman
1996-06-06  0:00                           ` James McKim
1996-06-07  0:00                             ` Ralph Silverman
1996-06-06  0:00                           ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-05-24  0:00                       ` Jeff Dege
1996-05-26  0:00                       ` Warren Young
1996-05-23  0:00                     ` Andy Ho-Fan Chan
1996-05-23  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1996-05-24  0:00                         ` Bob Rodgers
1996-05-24  0:00                         ` Robert A Duff
1996-05-28  0:00                           ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-05-28  0:00                             ` Jeff Dege
1996-05-28  0:00                             ` Janus
1996-05-29  0:00                             ` Chris Kuan
1996-05-29  0:00                               ` Bob Rodgers
1996-05-30  0:00                                 ` Chris Kuan
1996-05-29  0:00                             ` Michael Furman
1996-05-31  0:00                               ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-06-01  0:00                                 ` Steve Willer
1996-06-03  0:00                                   ` Warren Young
1996-06-01  0:00                                 ` Warren Young
1996-05-31  0:00                             ` Will Rose
1996-06-05  0:00                               ` Ralph Silverman
1996-06-07  0:00                                 ` Michael Furman
1996-06-01  0:00                             ` Heinz Hemken
1996-06-02  0:00                               ` Matt Kennel
1996-06-02  0:00                               ` Jeff Dege
1996-06-05  0:00                               ` Ralph Silverman
1996-06-06  0:00                                 ` Jeff Dege
1996-05-27  0:00                       ` Peter Moylan
1996-05-27  0:00                         ` Jeff Dege
1996-05-27  0:00                           ` The Amorphous Mass
1996-05-28  0:00                             ` Jeff Dege
1996-05-28  0:00                               ` The Amorphous Mass
1996-05-28  0:00                       ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-06-06  0:00                       ` Ralph Silverman
1996-06-06  0:00                         ` David Hopkins
1996-06-07  0:00                         ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-06-07  0:00                           ` Steve Willer
1996-06-10  0:00                             ` Michael Furman
1996-06-12  0:00                               ` Warren Young
1996-06-06  0:00                       ` Sam Hunting
1996-06-03  0:00                     ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-05-21  0:00                 ` Bob Rodgers
1996-05-22  0:00                   ` Matt Kennel
1996-05-23  0:00                     ` Steve Willer
1996-05-23  0:00                       ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-05-23  0:00                         ` Steve Willer
1996-05-23  0:00                     ` Bob Rodgers
1996-05-23  0:00                       ` Peter Seebach
1996-05-22  0:00                   ` Michael Furman
1996-05-23  0:00                   ` Peter Moylan
1996-06-10  0:00                 ` Ralph Silverman
1996-05-18  0:00             ` Richard Riehle
1996-05-23  0:00             ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-05-23  0:00             ` James Kanze US/ESC 60/3/141 #40763
1996-05-23  0:00               ` Paul J. Kossick
1996-05-25  0:00                 ` Raoul De Kezel
1996-05-23  0:00             ` Laurent Guerby
1996-06-05  0:00             ` Ralph Silverman
1996-06-05  0:00               ` jthorpe
1996-06-06  0:00               ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-06-07  0:00                 ` Ralph Silverman
1996-06-07  0:00                   ` The Amorphous Mass
1996-06-10  0:00                   ` Michael Furman
1996-06-11  0:00                   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-06-11  0:00                     ` Kevin Cline
1996-06-11  0:00                       ` Chris Engebretson
1996-06-11  0:00                       ` Ralph Silverman
1996-06-12  0:00                       ` Bob Rodgers
1996-06-12  0:00                         ` Matt Kennel
1996-06-13  0:00                           ` Jeff Dege
1996-06-13  0:00                           ` Giuliano Carlini
1996-06-22  0:00                       ` Richard Green
1996-06-11  0:00                     ` Will Rose
1996-06-07  0:00                 ` Chris Kuan
1996-06-05  0:00           ` Ralph Silverman
1996-05-14  0:00       ` Peter Seebach
1996-05-14  0:00         ` Pete Becker
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1996-05-16  0:00             ` Mark Chu-Carroll
1996-05-16  0:00               ` Jay Martin
1996-05-17  0:00                 ` Scott
1996-05-23  0:00                 ` G.O.Visser
1996-05-16  0:00             ` Scott
1996-05-16  0:00               ` Giuliano Carlini
1996-05-18  0:00                 ` Warren Young
1996-05-16  0:00             ` Steve Branam
1996-05-16  0:00         ` Matt Kennel
1996-05-14  0:00       ` Dave Mikesell
1996-05-16  0:00       ` Dave Toland
1996-05-21  0:00       ` mAg
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1996-05-23  0:00           ` Steve Willer
1996-05-23  0:00             ` Peter Seebach
1996-05-23  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-05-24  0:00               ` Steve Willer
1996-05-24  0:00               ` slary61
1996-05-24  0:00                 ` Ian Ward
1996-05-24  0:00                 ` Dave Toland
1996-05-24  0:00                 ` Jerry Kuch
1996-05-24  0:00                 ` Jeff Dege
1996-05-24  0:00                 ` Jos A. Horsmeier
1996-05-26  0:00                   ` Richard Riehle
1996-05-27  0:00                     ` Warren Young
1996-06-03  0:00                     ` Eva
1996-05-28  0:00                   ` Paul D. DeRocco
1996-05-27  0:00                 ` Norman L. Reitzel   
1996-05-27  0:00                   ` Matt Kennel
1996-05-28  0:00                 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-05-28  0:00                   ` Jay Martin
1996-05-29  0:00                     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-06-01  0:00                     ` Michael Feldman
1996-05-29  0:00                 ` AJ Musgrove
1996-06-05  0:00                 ` Ralph Silverman
1996-06-06  0:00                 ` Ralph Silverman
1996-05-23  0:00             ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-05-23  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-05-28  0:00                 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-05-23  0:00               ` Bob Rodgers
1996-05-23  0:00                 ` Bob Kitzberger
1996-05-23  0:00               ` Train
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1996-05-21  0:00         ` Mark A Biggar
1996-05-21  0:00           ` slary61
1996-05-24  0:00         ` Oleg Kagan
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