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From: Georg Bauhaus <rm-host.bauhaus@maps.futureapps.de>
Subject: Re: Do people who use Ada also use ocaml or F#?
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 14:15:48 +0200
Date: 2010-10-30T14:15:48+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4ccc0c74$0$6772$9b4e6d93@newsspool3.arcor-online.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4aacf4ab-6e56-421d-8381-26f8aeb5c840@p1g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>

On 10/30/10 3:32 AM, Chad R. Meiners wrote:
>  In many cases, the repetition of type assertion is a
> desirable sanity check; however, ML-based languages allows for the
> functionally to be more efficiently expressed in some cases.  Take
> pattern matching and automatic generalization for an example
>
> let reduce foo =
>    let rec go carry = function
>      | [] ->  carry
>      | value :: tail ->  go (foo carry value) tail
>    in go

Interestingly, Guido van Rossum has let list comprehensions
into Python 3 but has reduced `reduce` in rank. He reminds
programmers that Python is a programming language and
that they should please use a for loop!  ;-)

Indeed, leaving currying (and fun?) aside, one wouldn't
necessarily want to pass ever new lists around:

generic
    type T is private;
    Zero : in T;
    with function Op (Left, Right: T) return T;
    type Index is (<>);
    with function Element (Position : Index) return T;
function Reduce (First, Last: Index) return T;

function Reduce (First, Last: Index) return T is
    Result : T;
begin
    Result := Zero;
    for K in First .. Last loop
       Result := Op (Result, Element(K));
    end loop;
    return Result;
end Reduce;

The odd thing is that the type of functions in functional
languages is essentially composite.  Whereas the idea of
a function is one thing!  Hence I'd expect it worth a type that
is not just a consequence of the type of arguments in the
function table's columns (such as 'a -> 'b -> 'a).  Is
functional abstraction not more than a cross product of data?

But I understand that mathematical paper writing suggest a formalism
for expressing ideas that is closer to the mathematical ideal of
not stating what is deemed obvious in the target group
(and acceptable, viz. expected and fashionable).   Alas,
results usually need to be re-worked into simply constructed
and memory-efficient programs for real computers.
Even when using a functional language...  :-)


-- Georg



  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-10-30 12:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-10-29  2:27 Do people who use Ada also use ocaml or F#? Chad  R. Meiners
2010-10-29  2:58 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-30  1:32   ` Chad  R. Meiners
2010-10-30  2:22     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-30  3:44       ` Chad  R. Meiners
2010-10-30 12:15     ` Georg Bauhaus [this message]
2010-10-30 12:14   ` Florian Weimer
2010-10-30 12:46     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-30 13:59       ` Florian Weimer
2010-10-30 14:12       ` Niklas Holsti
2010-10-30 18:58         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-30 19:20           ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-10-30 23:11           ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-31 15:13             ` Florian Weimer
2010-10-29  7:53 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-29 17:10   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-29 19:10     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-29 22:16   ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-30  0:01     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2010-10-30  2:07       ` Chad  R. Meiners
2010-10-30 23:02         ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-30 23:30           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31  2:31             ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-31  2:58               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31 10:57                 ` J-P. Rosen
2010-10-31 11:04                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31 16:58                 ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-11-01 17:46                 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-11-01 17:03                   ` Vinzent Hoefler
2010-11-03 13:30                     ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-11-03 19:16                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-30  7:41     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-30 23:08       ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-30 23:15         ` Vinzent Hoefler
2010-10-31  2:36           ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-31  3:01             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31  4:52               ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-31  5:12                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31  7:38         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-31  8:03           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31  8:14             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-31 11:00           ` J-P. Rosen
2010-10-31 11:17             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-31 12:51               ` J-P. Rosen
2010-10-31 15:07                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-31 15:32                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31 20:00                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-31 20:04                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31 20:19                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-31 18:23                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-31 18:02           ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-30  2:07   ` Chad  R. Meiners
2010-10-30  2:29     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-30  3:55       ` Chad  R. Meiners
2010-10-30  7:49     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-30 12:18   ` Florian Weimer
2010-10-30 12:59     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-30 19:12       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-30 19:37         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-30 20:04           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-30 20:54             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-30 21:53               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31  8:12                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-31  9:49                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31 21:46           ` Shark8
2010-11-01  9:32             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-11-01 10:17               ` Florian Weimer
2010-11-05 12:46               ` Robert A Duff
2010-11-05 16:39                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-11-06 17:22                 ` Stephen Leake
2010-11-06 20:56                   ` Robert A Duff
2010-11-06 23:03                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-11-06 23:41                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-11-07  0:18                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-11-07 11:51                       ` Simon Wright
2010-11-07 12:14                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-11-07  3:05                   ` Chad  R. Meiners
2010-11-01 11:44             ` Brian Drummond
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