From: "Thomas Løcke" <tl@ada-dk.org>
Subject: Re: Ada is getting more popular!
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 00:39:01 +0200
Date: 2010-10-26T00:39:01+02:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4cc60705$0$23764$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <op.vk5bdvuuule2fv@garhos>
On 2010-10-25 21:06, Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57) wrote:
> That is entirely false. Few people audit sources, and open or close
> source does not matter for 98% of users.
Apparently me and my business are part of those last 2% then.
I've been buying and using both closed and open source software since
the mid 90's, and I can tell you that, in general, the quality of open
source software is much higher than it's closed counterpart.
Much. Higher.
Let me give you a few examples:
Over the years I've had numerous problems with the Cisco routers setup
by my ISP. They lock up on occassion. They drop a packet here and there.
Setting up failover is apparently difficult to do right, as my ISP has
failed this many times. Still, according to my ISP it's top of line
equipment. It's Cisco!
Yet after having switched to open source routers/firewalls based on BSD
(I got tired of Cisco), I haven't experienced a single problem. Not one
single issue.
An expensive closed Avaya IP telephony setup fails left and right, yet
an open Asterisk based setup using the exact same network works
flawlessly. I have used both.
The core software used by my business is closed source (I didn't know
better when I bought it), and I've had to build my own safeguards around
it, just to keep it running somewhat stable. This might be due to
clueless developers, bad code or something entirely different, but I'll
never know, because I can't get access to the source. It's a blackbox.
The open source RDBMS I'm using is solid as a rock (PostgreSQL). The
closed source Microsoft database that is a part of the above mentioned
core software is flaky.
The closed source Windows XP clients I'm being forced to use due to the
above mentioned closed source core software are unstable, insecure and
unmaintainable.
The open source Linux clients are stable, easy to maintain and much
easier to keep secure.
The closed source IE browser is utter crap. The open source
Firefox/Seamonkey/Chrome browsers are much much better, both from a user
and developer point of view.
The few closed source Windows servers I'm running are giving me
infinitely more grief than the open source Linux servers. The two things
simply does not compare.
The closed source fax server software I'm using (again due to the core
software mentioned earlier) crashes at least 2 times a week. The open
source fax software I used a few years back failed me perhaps a few
times a year, and those failures were due to human error on my part.
Over the years I've run all sorts of closed source Windows based
SMTP/IMAP/POP3 setups (before I started using Linux), and all of them
have been fickle and unstable. To this day I often have the dis-pleasure
of assisting my customers in figuring out why their Exchange servers
fail. And believe you me, they often fail.
On the other hand, a Postfix/Dovecot setup is solid as a rock.
My open source Samba servers are running 24/7/365 without a hitch. I
simply don't have to worry about them. The same thing cannot be said
about the few shares I'm forced to host on a couple of Windows boxes.
Open source matters to a lot of us, even though we don't personally
audit every line of code. What's important, is that we have the freedom
to do so. We have the freedom to both fix bugs and add functionality to
the software we use. We have the freedom to hire one or more programmers
and add features and/or fix problems.
I've contributed to the AdaCore AWS project, and I've done so because I
had an itch that needed scratching. If my contribution helps someone
else do something of value with AWS, then YAY!
If my contribution helps AdaCore earn something from having AWS in their
portfolio, then YAY!
Had AWS been closed source, I would've never done that. It would've been
impossible, and AWS would've been a little less feature-complete. And
more importantly: I would've never considered using it in my business.
I've had enough of poor closed source products and ugly vendor lock-in.
These are my experiences through +20 years of having run my own business.
> As I sometime say, “Linux did not help to get ride of
> Windows, it instead helped to enforce MS monopole”. Why ? Because it
> helped MS killing any potential MS concurrents.
>
> [snip]
>
> The idea that the author as no right at all and only the consumer as all
> the rights, could not ends into anything else. You must have the power
> of a monopole to get a chance to survive in such a context. Otherwise,
> no right for authors and all rights for consumers, simply means you
> better be a consumer than an author. Result : more and more consumers,
> less and less authors (or less and less authors who survive). The result
> is poor authors and poor products, as Dmitry argue.
I'd like to see some hard numbers backing up those two claims.
Open source does not mean that an author gives up his copyright, nor
does it mean that he can't sell his software.
Open source does not equal free, as in free beer. I pay for each and
every Slackware release and I often donate to open source projects that
are valuable to me. I'm sure other users do the same.
--
Regards,
Thomas Løcke
Email: tl at ada-dk.org
Web: http:ada-dk.org
IRC nick: ThomasLocke
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2010-10-13 7:15 Ada is getting more popular! Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-10-13 12:07 ` ramon_garcia
2010-10-13 14:51 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-10-13 17:00 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-14 22:10 ` Robert A Duff
2010-10-15 7:27 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-13 15:04 ` Mark Lorenzen
2010-10-13 18:01 ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-13 18:50 ` mockturtle
2010-10-13 21:53 ` ramon_garcia
2010-10-13 22:34 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2010-10-13 22:49 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-10-13 23:00 ` ramon_garcia
2010-10-13 23:21 ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-14 0:57 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-10-15 12:12 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2010-10-24 22:10 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-13 22:49 ` ramon_garcia
2010-10-13 23:05 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2010-10-14 4:59 ` Simon Wright
2010-10-14 18:45 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2010-10-14 18:48 ` Vinzent Hoefler
[not found] ` <i95f0n$j61$1@tornado.tornevall.net>
2010-10-14 5:03 ` Simon Wright
2010-10-13 20:17 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2010-10-13 22:05 ` Simon Wright
2010-10-14 2:20 ` tmoran
2010-10-24 22:15 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-25 0:14 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-10-24 21:21 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-25 0:12 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-10-25 7:43 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-25 7:52 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-25 8:07 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-10-25 9:21 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-25 9:47 ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-10-25 10:33 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-25 11:00 ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-10-25 13:24 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-31 19:59 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-25 19:06 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-25 22:39 ` Thomas Løcke [this message]
2010-10-25 23:29 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-26 6:29 ` Thomas Løcke
2010-10-26 14:33 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-10-26 13:59 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-27 11:59 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-10-27 13:07 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-27 17:51 ` Laziness (Was: Re: Ada is getting more popular!) Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-27 20:51 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-11-03 18:02 ` Ada is getting more popular! Colin Paul Gloster
2010-11-03 20:52 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-11-04 1:27 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-11-04 1:30 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-26 18:29 ` Thomas Løcke
2010-10-27 11:32 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-10-27 19:28 ` Thomas Løcke
2010-10-27 19:38 ` Thomas Løcke
2010-10-27 20:46 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-28 6:06 ` Thomas Løcke
2010-10-28 8:19 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-28 9:41 ` Thomas Løcke
2010-10-28 13:01 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-28 18:21 ` Thomas Løcke
2010-10-28 20:18 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-28 20:33 ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-10-28 21:19 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-28 23:37 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-10-29 8:00 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-29 9:19 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-10-29 10:03 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-29 16:55 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-30 9:50 ` Florian Weimer
2010-10-30 12:58 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-10-30 17:48 ` Florian Weimer
2010-10-30 18:50 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-30 19:02 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-10-30 19:26 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-30 20:57 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-10-31 7:48 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-31 10:59 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-10-31 12:36 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-30 18:17 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-29 16:51 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-28 21:02 ` Thomas Løcke
2010-10-28 21:31 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-28 21:28 ` Brian Drummond
2010-10-29 5:13 ` Thomas Løcke
2010-10-29 14:04 ` Brian Drummond
2010-10-29 14:03 ` Thomas Løcke
2010-10-30 6:23 ` Brian Drummond
2010-10-29 0:31 ` Chad R. Meiners
2010-10-29 11:47 ` stefan-lucks
2010-10-28 17:25 ` Warren
2010-10-28 9:12 ` J-P. Rosen
2010-10-28 17:02 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-28 17:58 ` Nicholas Collin Paul Gloster
2010-10-28 18:17 ` J-P. Rosen
2010-10-29 18:59 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2010-10-29 19:56 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-29 20:28 ` J-P. Rosen
2010-10-29 21:51 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31 1:35 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31 5:02 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31 6:42 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31 10:38 ` J-P. Rosen
2010-10-31 10:54 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-31 12:54 ` J-P. Rosen
2010-10-31 14:57 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-31 13:57 ` Niklas Holsti
2010-10-31 21:02 ` Niklas Holsti
2010-11-02 9:15 ` J-P. Rosen
2010-10-31 14:39 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31 17:21 ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-31 18:04 ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-31 20:00 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-31 18:06 ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-30 0:01 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2010-10-30 0:30 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-30 17:00 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2010-10-26 0:10 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-25 12:06 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-10-25 13:41 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-25 14:55 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-10-25 19:33 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-26 20:37 ` Shark8
2010-10-25 11:49 ` J-P. Rosen
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