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From: Georg Bauhaus <rm-host.bauhaus@maps.futureapps.de>
Subject: Re: Ada requires too much typing!
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 01:36:28 +0200
Date: 2010-05-27T01:36:30+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4bfdb07d$0$7670$9b4e6d93@newsspool1.arcor-online.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <op.vdbvama0xmjfy8@garhos>

On 5/26/10 9:33 PM, Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57) wrote:
> Le Wed, 26 May 2010 19:20:00 +0200, Georg Bauhaus
> <rm.dash-bauhaus@futureapps.de> a écrit:
>> Anyway, if understanding text requires more than linear
>> reading, there are arguments in favor of conciseness.
>> UML or any other "bird's eye view" tool show the usefulness
>> of seeing relations between pieces of source text in one place.
> Did you ever heard about Literate Programming ? What do you think about
> it in this area ? (possibly with editor support for that)
>

There even was/is a WEB adaptation for Ada 83
with all the features of the original WEB.
Like the other WEB systems, it can help with PERFORM-like
subdivisions, but not act as a replacement for "powerful"
operators (APL style), or with seeing call chains, say. (The tools
to show the latter are all outside the language, I think.)
    Being able to give detailed procedures as to how an operation
is to be performed (Ada) comes at a price (more things
to specify). Program planners who would rather leave the
programming to the engineers might then say "not my job!"
and go on with writing algorithms very concisely,
not using Ada ;-)  Understanding an algorithm might
be easier without the details...


Hypothesis: Compiler makers don't like the literate programming
tools out there.  Reason: Literate Programming makes your
programming language appear to be less than perfect for
structuring. :-)


IIRC, Robert Dewar once explained how Jean Ichbiah used
Word for writing about Ada and then called macros to
copy Ada text from the Word document to some external file.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-05-26 23:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-26 12:57 Ada requires too much typing! Peter C. Chapin
2010-05-26 13:29 ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-05-26 15:56   ` Peter Hermann
2010-05-26 16:12     ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-05-26 18:57   ` Pascal Obry
2010-05-26 19:30   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-26 14:48 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-05-27 17:10   ` Warren
2010-05-27 22:15     ` Adam Beneschan
2010-05-28 15:26       ` Warren
2010-05-30  0:49   ` BrianG
2010-05-30  7:27     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-30  9:17       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-30  9:51         ` Simon Wright
2010-06-02  1:42           ` BrianG
2010-05-26 15:23 ` Adam Beneschan
2010-05-26 17:20 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-26 19:33   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-26 21:55     ` Simon Wright
2010-05-26 23:36     ` Georg Bauhaus [this message]
2010-05-27  2:07 ` Fritz Wuehler
2010-05-27  4:19   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-27 19:51   ` Warren
2010-06-03 16:54 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-06-03 16:09   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-03 16:11     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-04 11:40       ` Nicolas Cóilin Paul de Gloucester
2010-06-04 13:54         ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-06-07 11:57           ` Off-topic: subthread of: "Re: Ada requires too much typing!" Colin Paul Gloster
2010-06-04 11:29     ` Ada requires too much typing! Nicholas Collin Paul de Gloucester
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-05-28  5:25 Luis Espinal
2010-05-28  6:47 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-28 15:52   ` John B. Matthews
2010-05-28 17:31     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-28 19:05       ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-28 19:39         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-28  9:48 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-28 10:10 ` Alex R. Mosteo
2010-06-01 21:30   ` Luis Espinal
2010-06-02 11:08     ` Alex R. Mosteo
2010-06-05 19:58       ` Luis Espinal
2010-06-02 13:09     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-05 20:13       ` Luis Espinal
2010-06-06  4:25         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-06  8:55     ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-06 10:13       ` Simon Wright
2010-06-06 11:03         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-06 12:04         ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-07  8:34           ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-07  9:25             ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-07 12:04               ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-06-07 12:17               ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-07 12:26                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-07 15:00                 ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-08  7:46                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-08  8:53                     ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-09  7:50                       ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-09  8:10                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-09  8:43                           ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-09  9:24                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-09 13:54                               ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-09 14:29                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-09 15:02                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-09 15:53                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-09 18:00                                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-09 19:10                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-09 21:09                                           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-10  8:07                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-10  8:44                                               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-10  9:07                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-10 10:10                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-10 10:28                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-09 21:22                                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-09 23:09                                     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-10  8:15                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-10 13:37                                       ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-10 13:57                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-09 14:31                               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-09 15:57                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-09 17:51                                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-10  6:13                         ` Randy Brukardt
2010-06-10  6:19                           ` AdaMagica
2010-06-10 21:59                             ` Randy Brukardt
2010-06-10  6:34                           ` Vadim Godunko
2010-06-10  6:54                             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-10  7:36                               ` Vadim Godunko
2010-06-10  8:21                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-10  8:51                                   ` Vadim Godunko
2010-06-10  9:20                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-10  8:51                                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-10 22:08                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2010-06-11  9:13                                   ` Stephen Leake
2010-06-10  7:20                             ` AdaMagica
2010-06-10  8:57                               ` Vadim Godunko
2010-06-10 10:12                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-10 13:47                                   ` Alex R. Mosteo
2010-06-10 19:18                                   ` Vadim Godunko
2010-06-10 22:08                                   ` Gautier write-only
2010-06-10 22:17                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2010-06-11 18:38                                     ` Simon Wright
2010-06-29  2:13                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2010-06-11  9:14                                   ` Stephen Leake
2010-06-11 18:03                                     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-06-11  9:11                             ` Stephen Leake
2010-06-10  7:21                           ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-10 19:33                             ` Simon Wright
2010-06-10 22:23                             ` Randy Brukardt
2010-06-07  8:13       ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-07  8:35         ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-07  8:43         ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-06  8:06 ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-07 18:30   ` Luis Espinal
2010-06-08  6:43     ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-08  7:10       ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-08  9:00         ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-10 13:56           ` Alex R. Mosteo
2010-06-10 14:29             ` J-P. Rosen
2010-06-11 11:57               ` Alex R. Mosteo
2010-06-08 10:10       ` Niklas Holsti
2010-06-08 11:35         ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-10 13:58           ` Alex R. Mosteo
2010-06-10 19:45           ` Simon Wright
2010-06-10 20:09             ` Niklas Holsti
2010-06-10 18:21         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
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