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From: "Peter C. Chapin" <pcc482719@gmail.com>
Subject: Ada requires too much typing!
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 08:57:09 -0400
Date: 2010-05-26T08:57:09-04:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4bfd19ba$0$2362$4d3efbfe@news.sover.net> (raw)

This is just an observation on the difference between two communities.

I've been recently using Scala for a project (I'd rather use Ada, but it's
hard for me to justify the cost of converting... alas). Scala is a
functional/OO hybrid language that targets the JVM. It prides itself on,
among other things, its concise syntax. Not surprisingly the Scala community,
as evidenced by the posts on a Scala newsgroup, regard conciseness as an
important feature for a programming language. I agree that conciseness can in
some cases improve readability. However, I also believe that it can obscure a
lot of important detail and make it hard to understand the execution cost of
the code. Perhaps because of my experience with Ada, or perhaps because of my
basic personality, I'm not necessarily a fan of extreme conciseness.

However, the argument that I see some people putting forth on the Scala group
is that conciseness is good because it saves typing. I really can't
understand that. How hard is it to type?

One of the people on that group posted this comment related to the fact that
Java requires public/private access specifiers on methods whereas Scala uses
public by default. Thus in the "common" case of a public method you don't
have to type the word 'public'...

<quote>
The whole "I will make you do extra work coding just so you can demonstrate
to me that you're not being lazy" attitude of Java is perhaps useful in some
situations, but we already have Java for that.  I don't think adopting that
attitude of making you do busywork would be an asset for Scala.

  --Rex
</quote>

Hmmm... "busywork"... interesting. I can only imagine what this person, or
others in that community, would have to say about Ada... or SPARK!

Peter




             reply	other threads:[~2010-05-26 12:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-26 12:57 Peter C. Chapin [this message]
2010-05-26 13:29 ` Ada requires too much typing! Ludovic Brenta
2010-05-26 15:56   ` Peter Hermann
2010-05-26 16:12     ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-05-26 18:57   ` Pascal Obry
2010-05-26 19:30   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-26 14:48 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-05-27 17:10   ` Warren
2010-05-27 22:15     ` Adam Beneschan
2010-05-28 15:26       ` Warren
2010-05-30  0:49   ` BrianG
2010-05-30  7:27     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-30  9:17       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-30  9:51         ` Simon Wright
2010-06-02  1:42           ` BrianG
2010-05-26 15:23 ` Adam Beneschan
2010-05-26 17:20 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-26 19:33   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-26 21:55     ` Simon Wright
2010-05-26 23:36     ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-27  2:07 ` Fritz Wuehler
2010-05-27  4:19   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-27 19:51   ` Warren
2010-06-03 16:54 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-06-03 16:09   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-03 16:11     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-04 11:40       ` Nicolas Cóilin Paul de Gloucester
2010-06-04 13:54         ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-06-07 11:57           ` Off-topic: subthread of: "Re: Ada requires too much typing!" Colin Paul Gloster
2010-06-04 11:29     ` Ada requires too much typing! Nicholas Collin Paul de Gloucester
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-05-28  5:25 Luis Espinal
2010-05-28  6:47 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-28 15:52   ` John B. Matthews
2010-05-28 17:31     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-28 19:05       ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-28 19:39         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-28  9:48 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-28 10:10 ` Alex R. Mosteo
2010-06-01 21:30   ` Luis Espinal
2010-06-02 11:08     ` Alex R. Mosteo
2010-06-05 19:58       ` Luis Espinal
2010-06-02 13:09     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-05 20:13       ` Luis Espinal
2010-06-06  4:25         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-06  8:55     ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-06 10:13       ` Simon Wright
2010-06-06 11:03         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-06 12:04         ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-07  8:34           ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-07  9:25             ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-07 12:04               ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-06-07 12:17               ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-07 12:26                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-07 15:00                 ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-08  7:46                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-08  8:53                     ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-09  7:50                       ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-09  8:10                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-09  8:43                           ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-09  9:24                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-09 13:54                               ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-09 14:29                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-09 15:02                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-09 15:53                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-09 18:00                                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-09 19:10                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-09 21:09                                           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-10  8:07                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-10  8:44                                               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-10  9:07                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-10 10:10                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-10 10:28                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-09 21:22                                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-09 23:09                                     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-10  8:15                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-10 13:37                                       ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-10 13:57                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-09 14:31                               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-09 15:57                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-09 17:51                                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-10  6:13                         ` Randy Brukardt
2010-06-10  6:19                           ` AdaMagica
2010-06-10 21:59                             ` Randy Brukardt
2010-06-10  6:34                           ` Vadim Godunko
2010-06-10  6:54                             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-10  7:36                               ` Vadim Godunko
2010-06-10  8:21                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-10  8:51                                   ` Vadim Godunko
2010-06-10  9:20                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-10  8:51                                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-10 22:08                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2010-06-11  9:13                                   ` Stephen Leake
2010-06-10  7:20                             ` AdaMagica
2010-06-10  8:57                               ` Vadim Godunko
2010-06-10 10:12                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-10 13:47                                   ` Alex R. Mosteo
2010-06-10 19:18                                   ` Vadim Godunko
2010-06-10 22:08                                   ` Gautier write-only
2010-06-10 22:17                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2010-06-11 18:38                                     ` Simon Wright
2010-06-29  2:13                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2010-06-11  9:14                                   ` Stephen Leake
2010-06-11 18:03                                     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-06-11  9:11                             ` Stephen Leake
2010-06-10  7:21                           ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-10 19:33                             ` Simon Wright
2010-06-10 22:23                             ` Randy Brukardt
2010-06-07  8:13       ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-07  8:35         ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-07  8:43         ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-06  8:06 ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-07 18:30   ` Luis Espinal
2010-06-08  6:43     ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-08  7:10       ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-08  9:00         ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-10 13:56           ` Alex R. Mosteo
2010-06-10 14:29             ` J-P. Rosen
2010-06-11 11:57               ` Alex R. Mosteo
2010-06-08 10:10       ` Niklas Holsti
2010-06-08 11:35         ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-10 13:58           ` Alex R. Mosteo
2010-06-10 19:45           ` Simon Wright
2010-06-10 20:09             ` Niklas Holsti
2010-06-10 18:21         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
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