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From: cri@tiac.net (Richard Harter)
Subject: Re: Why is Ada considered  "too specialized" for scientific use
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 14:55:24 GMT
Date: 2010-05-19T14:55:24+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4bf3eea0.82307906@text.giganews.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 4bf167de$0$89661$c30e37c6@exi-reader.telstra.net

On Tue, 18 May 2010 01:57:53 +1000, "robin" <robin51@dodo.com.au>
wrote:

>"Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote in message
>news:4bf114cf$4$fuzhry+tra$mr2ice@news.patriot.net...
>| In <4bf10c9c$0$89663$c30e37c6@exi-reader.telstra.net>, on 05/17/2010
>|   at 07:23 PM, "robin" <robin51@dodo.com.au> said:
>|
>| >It's another example of an algorithm that was first implemented in a
>| >language other than Algol
>|
>| K3wl, David. Why do you persist in debunking claims that nobody has
>| made while ignoring the actual issues in dispute?
>
>Here it is for the n-th time :--  "none" made a claim, which I disputed
>because it is wrong.  See below.
>_________________________________________________
>"none" <none@none.net> wrote in message news:pan.2010.04.05.20.51.46.20000@none.net...
>Sent: Tuesday, 6 April 2010 6:51 AM
>| On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 13:19:07 +0200, Georg Bauhaus wrote:
>|
>| Dismissing Algol as ephemeral ignores its influence and continuing usage
>| as a base of pseudo-codes. Important numerical libraries were first
>| implemented in ALgol,
>
>No, they were first implemented in machine code,
>and later rewritten in Algol and FORTRAN.
>The numerical procedures of the General Interpretive Programme
>were written in machine code, from 1955.
>
>| and later translated to Fortran when Algol's
>| momentum faltered.

You appear to be misreading "Important numerical libraries were
first implemented in ALgol".  The quoted text can be read in
either of two ways:

(1) "All important numerical libraries were ..."
(2) "There were important numerical libraries that were ..."

In short, the quoted text can be read either as "some" or as
"all", depending on context.  The natural reading is "some".
Indeed, your "refutation" requires "some".  

The general facts are that prior to the creation of fortran and
algol, almost all important numerical libraries were implemented
either in machine language or in assembly language.  Afterwards
most were implemented in higher level languages.

All of that said, it is a bit misleading to say that libraries
were first implemented in Algol and later translated to Fortran.
Some were, that is true.  For the most part, however, libraries
were developed independently in the two languages.



   
Richard Harter, cri@tiac.net
http://home.tiac.net/~cri, http://www.varinoma.com
It's not much to ask of the universe that it be fair;
it's not much to ask but it just doesn't happen.



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Thread overview: 195+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-04  4:46 Why is Ada considered "too specialized" for scientific use Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-04-04  5:30 ` J-P. Rosen
2010-04-06 15:04   ` Adam Beneschan
2010-04-04  7:10 ` Pascal Obry
2010-04-04 18:24 ` Charles H. Sampson
2010-04-06  9:52   ` Peter Hermann
2010-04-07 20:08   ` Denis McMahon
2010-04-04 20:53 ` Andrea Taverna
2010-04-13 20:31   ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-04-14 16:00     ` Charles H. Sampson
2010-04-14 19:18       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-04-04 23:41 ` Jerry
2010-04-05  0:29   ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-04-05  9:09 ` mockturtle
2010-04-05 11:20   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-04-05 11:19 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-05 16:44   ` Keith Thompson
2010-04-06 14:03     ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-06 16:39       ` Warren
2010-04-06 17:53         ` Sebastian Hanigk
2010-04-06 20:45           ` Warren
2010-04-07  9:17           ` MRE
2010-04-08 10:10           ` Ken Thomas
2010-04-08 16:40             ` Warren
2010-04-08 18:34               ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-08 20:13                 ` Charmed Snark
2010-04-06 19:53       ` J. Clarke
2010-04-06 21:37         ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-07  4:25           ` J. Clarke
2010-04-07  6:43             ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-07 12:53               ` J. Clarke
2010-04-07 16:19                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-07 17:05             ` Keith Thompson
2010-04-07 19:41               ` J. Clarke
2010-04-07  2:03       ` BrianG
2010-04-07  9:08         ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-08  0:20           ` BrianG
2010-04-08  2:29             ` Robert A Duff
2010-04-08  7:04             ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-14 21:34     ` Florian Weimer
2010-04-05 20:51   ` none
2010-04-06  1:18     ` robin
2010-04-06 12:00       ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-06 15:30         ` robin
2010-04-06 23:44           ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-14  9:32             ` robin
2010-04-14 12:12               ` J. Clarke
2010-04-14 15:20                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-04-15  4:15                   ` J. Clarke
2010-04-15 10:04               ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-15 15:10                 ` robin
2010-04-15 22:06                   ` Nomen Nescio
2010-04-16  0:02                   ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-17  8:43                     ` robin
2010-04-18 17:15                       ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-22  1:39                         ` robin
2010-04-22  9:59                           ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-22 12:49                             ` Gary L. Scott
2010-04-22 13:20                             ` robin
2010-05-14 10:50                 ` robin
2010-05-16  1:23                   ` Shmuel Metz
2010-05-17  9:23                     ` robin
2010-05-17 10:05                       ` Shmuel Metz
2010-05-17 10:09                         ` robin
2010-05-17 15:57                         ` robin
2010-05-19 14:55                           ` Richard Harter [this message]
2010-04-07 19:27           ` Simon Wright
2010-04-08  2:01             ` robin
2010-04-08 15:27             ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-14  9:27               ` robin
2010-04-15 10:02                 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-23  7:29                   ` robin
2010-04-23 16:14                     ` J. Clarke
2010-04-23 21:51                       ` Peter Flass
2010-04-23 23:25                         ` Sjouke Burry
2010-04-24  0:18                           ` Gary L. Scott
2010-04-24  1:05                             ` Richard Maine
2010-04-24  0:23                           ` Dick Hendrickson
2010-04-24  0:30                           ` glen herrmannsfeldt
2010-04-26 15:28                             ` Warren
2010-04-25  2:43                     ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-16 11:04               ` sjw
2010-04-18 17:26                 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-05 10:58                 ` robin
2010-06-06  4:25                   ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-06 14:53                     ` Arthur Evans Jr
2010-06-06 15:15                       ` J. Clarke
     [not found]                         ` <4c0cbc04$2$fuzhry+tra$mr2ice@news.patriot.net>
2010-06-07 13:23                           ` J. Clarke
2010-06-07 18:50                             ` George Orwell
2010-06-08  1:21                             ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-08 12:26                         ` Peter Hermann
2010-06-06 17:10                       ` glen herrmannsfeldt
2010-06-06 19:17                         ` J. Clarke
2010-06-08  6:27                           ` James J. Weinkam
2010-06-08  7:13                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-08 10:43                               ` Peter Flass
2010-06-08 10:23                             ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-08 12:03                             ` glen herrmannsfeldt
2010-06-07  9:39                         ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-06 17:16                       ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-06 18:33                       ` Non scrivetemi
2010-06-06 15:12                     ` robin
2010-06-07  9:45                       ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-08 11:10                         ` robin
2010-06-09 10:48                           ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-09 23:59                             ` robin
2010-06-10 10:06                               ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-10 10:52                                 ` robin
2010-06-10 13:49                                   ` Richard Harter
2010-06-06 15:19                     ` J. Clarke
2010-06-06 16:51                       ` Simon Wright
2010-06-06 17:51                         ` J. Clarke
2010-06-07  9:38                         ` robin
2010-06-08 10:07                           ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-10 10:54                             ` robin
2010-06-07  9:41                         ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-06 17:15                       ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-06 19:12                         ` J. Clarke
2010-06-06 20:39                           ` John B. Matthews
2010-06-07  0:17                             ` J. Clarke
2010-06-07  6:02                           ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-06 23:01                         ` Gib Bogle
2010-06-07  0:18                           ` J. Clarke
2010-06-07  5:34                             ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-07  9:48                               ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-07 10:36                               ` Peter Flass
2010-06-07 16:18                                 ` Fritz Wuehler
2010-06-07 22:03                                   ` Peter Flass
2010-06-07 22:00                                     ` glen herrmannsfeldt
2010-06-08  1:16                                 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-07  5:31                           ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-07  6:15                         ` robin
2010-06-07 10:40                           ` Peter Flass
2010-06-07 12:35                             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-07 13:29                               ` J. Clarke
2010-06-07 21:04                                 ` Gib Bogle
2010-06-07 21:56                                 ` Peter Flass
2010-06-07 22:06                                   ` glen herrmannsfeldt
2010-06-08 10:11                                     ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-08 10:01                                   ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-08 11:16                                   ` robin
2010-06-08  1:22                                 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-07 14:35                               ` robin
2010-06-07 14:56                                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-07 15:07                               ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-07 15:08                               ` Dick Hendrickson
2010-06-07 15:23                                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-07 15:34                                   ` (see below)
2010-06-08  9:57                                     ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-07 21:57                                 ` Peter Flass
2010-06-08 10:02                                   ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-08  9:53                                 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-09 13:54                                   ` robin
2010-06-08 11:23                                 ` robin
2010-06-09 10:50                                   ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-09 13:47                                     ` robin
     [not found]                                       ` <4c0fa318$1$fuzhry+tra$mr2ice@news.patriot.net>
2010-06-09 23:54                                         ` robin
2010-06-10 10:48                                           ` Non scrivetemi
2010-06-10 15:12                                             ` robin
     [not found]                                           ` <4c10b858$4$fuzhry+tra$mr2ice@news.patriot.net>
2010-06-10 10:59                                             ` robin
2010-06-07 12:50                             ` Robert AH Prins
2010-06-07 14:22                             ` Arthur Evans Jr
2010-06-07 21:07                               ` Gib Bogle
2010-06-08  9:54                               ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-07 14:30                             ` robin
2010-06-08 10:14                               ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-09 13:58                                 ` robin
2010-06-09 14:23                                   ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-07 15:24                             ` Richard Harter
2010-06-07 21:05                               ` Wilson
2010-06-08  1:18                             ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-07  9:32                       ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-25 16:32       ` robin
2010-05-14 10:54     ` robin
2010-04-13 20:18   ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-05-14 11:53     ` robin
2010-05-17 10:26       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-05-17 13:36         ` Dan Nagle
2010-04-05 17:33 ` Charmed Snark
2010-04-05 19:24   ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-04-05 20:28     ` Warren
2010-04-08 18:30       ` Alex Mentis
2010-04-06  0:38     ` Robert A Duff
2010-04-06  8:07       ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-04-06 21:55         ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-07  2:52           ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-04-07 20:07             ` Randy Brukardt
2010-04-07  7:28         ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-04-07  8:24           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-04-07 11:59             ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-04-07 13:44               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-04-07 20:21                 ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-04-08 11:53                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-04-08 13:40 ` Vincent LAFAGE
2010-04-08 16:29   ` Georg Bauhaus
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