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From: Georg Bauhaus <rm.dash-bauhaus@futureapps.de>
Subject: Re: Why is Ada considered  "too specialized" for scientific use
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 16:03:14 +0200
Date: 2010-04-06T16:03:14+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4bbb3f22$0$7660$9b4e6d93@newsspool1.arcor-online.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <lnaathetnk.fsf@nuthaus.mib.org>

Keith Thompson schrieb:
> Georg Bauhaus <rm-host.bauhaus@maps.futureapps.de> writes:
> [...]
>> C99 (note the year) has complex types,  says C hasn't.  Well, it
>> hadn't, as some point in the last century.
> [...]
> 
> Unfortunately, the C99 standard has not yet been universally adopted.
> Very few compilers fully support it.  Many support most of it,
> but I understand that Microsoft's compiler still supports only C90
> (with maybe a handful of C99-specific features).
> 
> Which means that as soon as you write "#include <complex.h>", you've
> limited the portability of your program.

OHOH, scientific programs would require best use of your
computer's resources, wouldn't they?  So

(1) why run scientific programs on an OS (still largely written in C
AFAIK ...) that by default makes a herd of programs and services keep
your computer really busy without your program running, and

(2) why not use a better C compiler (if it has to be C) even on
MS Windows, such as the ones listed below---if it has to be C?

(I should add that the MS OS is purchased at a higher price
than most alternatives, too; price was a listed as an issue.)

But indeed, even though there is C in Windows NT,

"Thanks for taking the time to send us your suggestion. Currently, there are
no plans to implement C99 support in VS2010. Once we complete this product
cycle, we will be reviewing all customer suggestions, including this one, for
our future planning.

"Thanks,
Mark Roberts
Visual C++ Team"

http://connect.microsoft.com/VisualStudio/feedback/details/485416/support-c99


So for scientific computing, MS C will be a less attractive choice
than GNU C or Intel C, or Comeaucomputing's C on top of MS C adding
C99 to MS C, or ...

Or less attractive than compilers for one of the other
languages such as Ada or Fortran or ... that support both fairly recent
standards and computing with complex numbers.





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Thread overview: 195+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-04  4:46 Why is Ada considered "too specialized" for scientific use Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-04-04  5:30 ` J-P. Rosen
2010-04-06 15:04   ` Adam Beneschan
2010-04-04  7:10 ` Pascal Obry
2010-04-04 18:24 ` Charles H. Sampson
2010-04-06  9:52   ` Peter Hermann
2010-04-07 20:08   ` Denis McMahon
2010-04-04 20:53 ` Andrea Taverna
2010-04-13 20:31   ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-04-14 16:00     ` Charles H. Sampson
2010-04-14 19:18       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-04-04 23:41 ` Jerry
2010-04-05  0:29   ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-04-05  9:09 ` mockturtle
2010-04-05 11:20   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-04-05 11:19 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-05 16:44   ` Keith Thompson
2010-04-06 14:03     ` Georg Bauhaus [this message]
2010-04-06 16:39       ` Warren
2010-04-06 17:53         ` Sebastian Hanigk
2010-04-06 20:45           ` Warren
2010-04-07  9:17           ` MRE
2010-04-08 10:10           ` Ken Thomas
2010-04-08 16:40             ` Warren
2010-04-08 18:34               ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-08 20:13                 ` Charmed Snark
2010-04-06 19:53       ` J. Clarke
2010-04-06 21:37         ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-07  4:25           ` J. Clarke
2010-04-07  6:43             ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-07 12:53               ` J. Clarke
2010-04-07 16:19                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-07 17:05             ` Keith Thompson
2010-04-07 19:41               ` J. Clarke
2010-04-07  2:03       ` BrianG
2010-04-07  9:08         ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-08  0:20           ` BrianG
2010-04-08  2:29             ` Robert A Duff
2010-04-08  7:04             ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-14 21:34     ` Florian Weimer
2010-04-05 20:51   ` none
2010-04-06  1:18     ` robin
2010-04-06 12:00       ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-06 15:30         ` robin
2010-04-06 23:44           ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-14  9:32             ` robin
2010-04-14 12:12               ` J. Clarke
2010-04-14 15:20                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-04-15  4:15                   ` J. Clarke
2010-04-15 10:04               ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-15 15:10                 ` robin
2010-04-15 22:06                   ` Nomen Nescio
2010-04-16  0:02                   ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-17  8:43                     ` robin
2010-04-18 17:15                       ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-22  1:39                         ` robin
2010-04-22  9:59                           ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-22 12:49                             ` Gary L. Scott
2010-04-22 13:20                             ` robin
2010-05-14 10:50                 ` robin
2010-05-16  1:23                   ` Shmuel Metz
2010-05-17  9:23                     ` robin
2010-05-17 10:05                       ` Shmuel Metz
2010-05-17 10:09                         ` robin
2010-05-17 15:57                         ` robin
2010-05-19 14:55                           ` Richard Harter
2010-04-07 19:27           ` Simon Wright
2010-04-08  2:01             ` robin
2010-04-08 15:27             ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-14  9:27               ` robin
2010-04-15 10:02                 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-23  7:29                   ` robin
2010-04-23 16:14                     ` J. Clarke
2010-04-23 21:51                       ` Peter Flass
2010-04-23 23:25                         ` Sjouke Burry
2010-04-24  0:18                           ` Gary L. Scott
2010-04-24  1:05                             ` Richard Maine
2010-04-24  0:23                           ` Dick Hendrickson
2010-04-24  0:30                           ` glen herrmannsfeldt
2010-04-26 15:28                             ` Warren
2010-04-25  2:43                     ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-16 11:04               ` sjw
2010-04-18 17:26                 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-05 10:58                 ` robin
2010-06-06  4:25                   ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-06 14:53                     ` Arthur Evans Jr
2010-06-06 15:15                       ` J. Clarke
     [not found]                         ` <4c0cbc04$2$fuzhry+tra$mr2ice@news.patriot.net>
2010-06-07 13:23                           ` J. Clarke
2010-06-07 18:50                             ` George Orwell
2010-06-08  1:21                             ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-08 12:26                         ` Peter Hermann
2010-06-06 17:10                       ` glen herrmannsfeldt
2010-06-06 19:17                         ` J. Clarke
2010-06-08  6:27                           ` James J. Weinkam
2010-06-08  7:13                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-08 10:43                               ` Peter Flass
2010-06-08 10:23                             ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-08 12:03                             ` glen herrmannsfeldt
2010-06-07  9:39                         ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-06 17:16                       ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-06 18:33                       ` Non scrivetemi
2010-06-06 15:12                     ` robin
2010-06-07  9:45                       ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-08 11:10                         ` robin
2010-06-09 10:48                           ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-09 23:59                             ` robin
2010-06-10 10:06                               ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-10 10:52                                 ` robin
2010-06-10 13:49                                   ` Richard Harter
2010-06-06 15:19                     ` J. Clarke
2010-06-06 16:51                       ` Simon Wright
2010-06-06 17:51                         ` J. Clarke
2010-06-07  9:38                         ` robin
2010-06-08 10:07                           ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-10 10:54                             ` robin
2010-06-07  9:41                         ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-06 17:15                       ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-06 19:12                         ` J. Clarke
2010-06-06 20:39                           ` John B. Matthews
2010-06-07  0:17                             ` J. Clarke
2010-06-07  6:02                           ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-06 23:01                         ` Gib Bogle
2010-06-07  0:18                           ` J. Clarke
2010-06-07  5:34                             ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-07  9:48                               ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-07 10:36                               ` Peter Flass
2010-06-07 16:18                                 ` Fritz Wuehler
2010-06-07 22:03                                   ` Peter Flass
2010-06-07 22:00                                     ` glen herrmannsfeldt
2010-06-08  1:16                                 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-07  5:31                           ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-07  6:15                         ` robin
2010-06-07 10:40                           ` Peter Flass
2010-06-07 12:35                             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-07 13:29                               ` J. Clarke
2010-06-07 21:04                                 ` Gib Bogle
2010-06-07 21:56                                 ` Peter Flass
2010-06-07 22:06                                   ` glen herrmannsfeldt
2010-06-08 10:11                                     ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-08 10:01                                   ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-08 11:16                                   ` robin
2010-06-08  1:22                                 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-07 14:35                               ` robin
2010-06-07 14:56                                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-07 15:07                               ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-07 15:08                               ` Dick Hendrickson
2010-06-07 15:23                                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-07 15:34                                   ` (see below)
2010-06-08  9:57                                     ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-07 21:57                                 ` Peter Flass
2010-06-08 10:02                                   ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-08  9:53                                 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-09 13:54                                   ` robin
2010-06-08 11:23                                 ` robin
2010-06-09 10:50                                   ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-09 13:47                                     ` robin
     [not found]                                       ` <4c0fa318$1$fuzhry+tra$mr2ice@news.patriot.net>
2010-06-09 23:54                                         ` robin
2010-06-10 10:48                                           ` Non scrivetemi
2010-06-10 15:12                                             ` robin
     [not found]                                           ` <4c10b858$4$fuzhry+tra$mr2ice@news.patriot.net>
2010-06-10 10:59                                             ` robin
2010-06-07 12:50                             ` Robert AH Prins
2010-06-07 14:22                             ` Arthur Evans Jr
2010-06-07 21:07                               ` Gib Bogle
2010-06-08  9:54                               ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-07 14:30                             ` robin
2010-06-08 10:14                               ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-09 13:58                                 ` robin
2010-06-09 14:23                                   ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-07 15:24                             ` Richard Harter
2010-06-07 21:05                               ` Wilson
2010-06-08  1:18                             ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-07  9:32                       ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-25 16:32       ` robin
2010-05-14 10:54     ` robin
2010-04-13 20:18   ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-05-14 11:53     ` robin
2010-05-17 10:26       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-05-17 13:36         ` Dan Nagle
2010-04-05 17:33 ` Charmed Snark
2010-04-05 19:24   ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-04-05 20:28     ` Warren
2010-04-08 18:30       ` Alex Mentis
2010-04-06  0:38     ` Robert A Duff
2010-04-06  8:07       ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-04-06 21:55         ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-07  2:52           ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-04-07 20:07             ` Randy Brukardt
2010-04-07  7:28         ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-04-07  8:24           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-04-07 11:59             ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-04-07 13:44               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-04-07 20:21                 ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-04-08 11:53                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-04-08 13:40 ` Vincent LAFAGE
2010-04-08 16:29   ` Georg Bauhaus
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