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From: Georg Bauhaus <rm.dash-bauhaus@futureapps.de>
Subject: Re: Alternatives to C: ObjectPascal, Eiffel, Ada or Modula-3?
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:52:37 +0100
Date: 2010-03-23T18:52:38+01:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4ba8ffe6$0$6770$9b4e6d93@newsspool3.arcor-online.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <07c318a0-2644-4c02-9447-ed75d9cb3485@g28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>

Maciej Sobczak schrieb:
> On 23 Mar, 14:24, Georg Bauhaus <rm.dash-bauh...@futureapps.de> wrote:
> 
>> Note: Cherrystonesoftware markets a product that is not available
>> with Java, C#, or other languages.
> 
> Are they supposed to make products for those platforms that they
> consider inferior? Why?

If only it was stated like this.  Anyway, the test cases
are interesting for other reasons: Yes, the language
implementation matters.  E.g., does your JIT compile to MMX or
SQRT hardware instructions when running the prime number
algorithm? Can you share data efficiently across multiple
processors in non-augmented C99 or in Ada?

When deciding for/against a programming language,
based on likely application performance,
it seems equally important to look at some more things.
One example is memory management in muticore programs.
It seems like malloc() is beginning to show its sequential
heritage, with memory management becoming a messy resource
conflict, making multithreaded programs slow.   This is when
VMs using JIT compilers (or programs employing a non-language
allocation library...)
stand a chance of being faster: they may have built in
memory management for multiple processors. Languages
like C don't---Cherrystone offers one example.

Another benchmarks currently shows rather inconclusive,
but instructive results. The same program is run on a single core
and on a multicore CPU
http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u64/performance.php?test=chameneosredux
http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u64q/performance.php?test=chameneosredux

Thus, I think, language choice may well depend on considering more
than massive close-to-the-register CPU operation efficiency.
Even when it destroys one's presumptions (that C++, Ada, Eiffel,
Modula-3, Fortran, etc. somehow must always be fastest).



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2009-07-18 14:19 Alternatives to C: ObjectPascal, Eiffel, Ada or Modula-3? Andrea Taverna
2009-07-18 14:42 ` Richard Harter
2009-07-18 14:53 ` Francois PIETTE
2009-07-18 15:23   ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-07-18 18:27     ` Andrea Taverna
2009-07-18 18:46       ` Pascal Obry
2009-08-04 20:09         ` Hendrik Boom
2009-08-04 21:35           ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-18 18:57       ` Andrea Taverna
2009-07-18 15:18 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-07-19 13:50   ` Andrea Taverna
2009-07-19 14:06     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-07-20 10:13   ` Nicholas Paul Collin Gloucester
2009-08-04 20:12     ` Hendrik Boom
2009-07-21 12:03   ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-21 13:25     ` Mark T.B. Carroll
2009-07-18 15:50 ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-07-18 16:31   ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-07-18 19:48   ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-20 10:34   ` Nicholas Paul Collin Gloucester
2009-07-23 22:58   ` A few Ada questions Andrea Taverna
2009-07-24  0:28     ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-07-24  9:07       ` AdaMagica
2009-07-28  9:48         ` Making a nonlimited type controlled by means of a controlled component Ludovic Brenta
2009-08-14 22:21           ` Randy Brukardt
2009-08-14 22:51             ` Adam Beneschan
2009-07-24  7:00     ` A few Ada questions Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-07-24 15:26       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-24 15:01         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-07-18 16:27 ` Alternatives to C: ObjectPascal, Eiffel, Ada or Modula-3? BGB / cr88192
2009-07-18 17:41 ` Ben Bacarisse
2009-07-20 10:39   ` Nicholas Paul Collin Gloucester
2009-07-20 16:17     ` Ben Bacarisse
2009-07-21 12:10     ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-21 14:40       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-22  0:25         ` Andrew Reilly
2009-07-19  1:04 ` Andrew Reilly
2009-07-19 13:14   ` mockturtle
2009-07-19 13:35   ` Andrea Taverna
2009-07-19 15:28     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-07-19 17:30       ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-07-19 18:02       ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-19 19:09         ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-07-19 19:14         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-07-19 19:51           ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-19 19:52 ` tm
2009-07-20  9:57 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2009-07-20 13:42   ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-07-20 14:37   ` tm
2009-07-20 15:14     ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2009-07-24  7:26       ` tm
2009-07-24  8:10         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-07-25 17:39           ` Frank J. Lhota
2009-07-25 18:12             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-07-24 21:15         ` Wolfgang Ehrhardt
2009-07-24 22:29           ` bartc
2009-07-26 10:55             ` tm
2009-07-26 12:14               ` bartc
2009-07-26 13:21                 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-07-26 15:43                   ` bartc
2009-07-20 15:46     ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-20 16:08     ` Ben Bacarisse
2009-07-20 19:48     ` Tetrahedral Quartz
2009-07-26  2:26   ` wwilson
2009-07-20 12:15 ` Nicholas Paul Collin Gloucester
2009-07-20 12:59   ` Mark T.B. Carroll
2009-07-20 13:18     ` Nicholas Paul Collin Gloucester
2009-07-20 13:21       ` Mark T.B. Carroll
2009-07-20 14:49         ` Nicholas Paul Collin Gloucester
2009-07-20 18:33   ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-20 18:49     ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-07-20 19:35       ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-20 21:54         ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-21  7:39         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-07-21 14:30           ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-21 15:17             ` Martin
2009-07-20 19:23     ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-20 19:55       ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-21 12:49       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-20 19:44     ` Nicholas Paul Collin Gloucester
2009-07-20 20:14       ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-20 22:22         ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-07-21  1:33           ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-21  7:54             ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-07-21  7:59             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-07-21 13:08               ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-21 12:43                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-07-21 14:48                 ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-21 14:45               ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-21 15:46                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-07-21 17:34                   ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-21  8:56             ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2009-07-21  9:31               ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-21 15:02               ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-21 16:42                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-21 18:00                   ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-22 14:10                     ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-22 14:54                       ` Cesar Rabak
2010-03-24  2:46                       ` Robert Love
2010-03-25 15:51                         ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-21 17:37                 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-21 14:08             ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-07-21 13:38         ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-21 15:25           ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-21 17:48             ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-23 18:47               ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-23 19:20                 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-23 21:51                   ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-24  1:08                   ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-24  7:04                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-07-22 19:29   ` sjw
2009-07-22 20:05     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-07-23 12:01     ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-24  1:19       ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-24  8:50         ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-24 15:56           ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-24 16:52         ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-24 18:36           ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-24 21:46           ` Robert A Duff
2009-07-25 14:32             ` jimmaureenrogers
2009-07-25 17:31             ` Cesar Rabak
2009-07-21 12:25 ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-21 11:41   ` Martin
2009-07-21 14:09     ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-21 13:41       ` Martin
2009-07-21 13:45         ` Martin
2009-07-21 13:58         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-07-21 16:06         ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-21 15:54           ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-22  9:37             ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-22  9:19               ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-22  7:53           ` Martin
2009-07-22  9:18             ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-21 23:17         ` Robert A Duff
2009-07-21 14:12   ` Andrea Taverna
2009-07-21 14:14     ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-07-21 14:38     ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-07-21 15:29       ` Mark T.B. Carroll
2009-07-21 16:10     ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-22  8:16       ` Martin
2009-07-22 18:59         ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-24  8:15     ` tm
2009-07-24  9:31       ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-24  9:42         ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-24 13:03           ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-24 10:15         ` tm
2009-07-24 13:11           ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-24 13:01             ` tm
2009-07-24 14:42               ` Jon Harrop
2009-07-25  1:15         ` wwilson
2009-07-25  6:05           ` robertwessel2
2009-07-25  9:24             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-07-26  2:10             ` wwilson
2009-07-26  3:27               ` Andrew Reilly
2009-07-26 10:08                 ` bartc
2009-07-27 11:28               ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-28  5:01                 ` wwilson
2009-07-28 10:13                   ` Colin Paul Gloster
2009-07-28 12:29                   ` Dave Seaman
2009-07-28 12:42                     ` Peter Hermann
2009-07-28 18:35                     ` wwilson
2009-07-21 13:09 ` parnell
2009-07-28 20:57 ` fft1976
2009-07-28 21:59   ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-28 22:01   ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-07-30  3:04     ` fft1976
2009-07-30  6:47       ` Martin
2009-07-28 23:14   ` Jon Harrop
2009-08-01 19:46     ` frankenstein
2009-08-01 21:56       ` Paul Rubin
2009-08-01 23:28         ` Jon Harrop
2009-08-02 10:07         ` frankenstein
2009-08-02 18:55           ` Jon Harrop
2009-08-02  9:48       ` frankenstein
2009-07-29  0:40   ` Oxide Scrubber
2009-07-29  2:52     ` fft1976
2009-07-29  4:46       ` Oxide Scrubber
2009-07-29  7:50   ` Elena
2009-07-29 15:06     ` Andrea Taverna
2009-07-29  8:11   ` Ray Blaak
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2009-07-29 11:38       ` Oxide Scrubber
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2009-07-29 14:35           ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2009-07-29 17:02           ` Oxide Scrubber
2009-08-03 11:19             ` oxhiderubber
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2009-07-29 17:22       ` Ray Blaak
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2009-07-30  7:52             ` fft1976
2009-07-30  8:34               ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-07-30 16:10               ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-30 17:09                 ` fft1976
2009-07-30 17:20                   ` Pascal Obry
2009-07-30 17:28                     ` fft1976
2009-07-30 17:47                     ` Isaac Gouy
2009-07-31 10:48                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-30 17:23                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-07-30 17:59                 ` Isaac Gouy
2009-07-30 19:38                   ` fft1976
2009-07-30 21:44                     ` Isaac Gouy
2009-07-30 22:14                       ` Paul Rubin
2009-07-31 10:27                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-31 11:13                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-31 11:29                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-07-31 16:38                     ` Isaac Gouy
2009-07-30 16:25             ` Isaac Gouy
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