From: "Dan'l Miller" <optikos@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: disruptors of & inventory of Ada compilers and latest their era of ISO8652 compliance
Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 09:49:02 -0700 (PDT)
Date: 2018-05-17T09:49:02-07:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4a2e4dc5-aec6-4e59-91cd-9476abdbac7c@googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1103700103.548265160.819002.laguest-archeia.com@nntp.aioe.org>
On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 10:56:02 AM UTC-5, Luke A. Guest wrote:
> Dan'l Miller <@verizon.net> wrote:
> Darwin, the BSDs, and Linux. I wonder why the design of an LLVM IR backend
> for GCC wasn't merely just another machine-code downstream from GIMPLE,
> e.g., as (hardware-processor machine-code ISAs are) overviewed at
> https://kristerw.blogspot.com/2017/08/writing-gcc-backend_4.html
>
> See previous discussions about taking gcc’s ir and the ramifications of
> doing so, it makes the resultant code gplv3. It’s in the gcc faq and
> licence.
1) DragonEgg is licensed as GPLv2 (as GPLv2 was the version at the time of its inception), so there is clearly no goal there in DragonEgg of making a nonGPL LLVM backend for GCC.
2) As implied by all hardware-processor machine-code ISAs in GCC, an LLVM IR as just analogous to a machine-code-ISA backend on GCC would of course be GPLv3 nowadays, just as any hardware-processor machine-code ISA would be in GCC.
> > On this note, does anyone know how much GNAT's frontend
>
> GNAT IR -> generic -> gimple, but I think they got rid of the generic step
> but I’m not sure.
Wait, GNAT has its own full-fledged IR stage prior to deriving either GENERIC or GIMPLE from that GNAT IR? By IR here, I of course mean capturing •all• the semantic behavior of the program as per the _ARM_, not merely an AST of the recognized syntax. Perhaps you are speaking of a blend: that GNAT might encode 100% of the semantics adorned on the AST itself prior to deriving either GENERIC or GIMPLE •mechanically• without adding any more _ARM_-defined Adaness. If such a GNAT IR exists that would capture all Ada-ness prior to •mechanically• deriving either GENERIC or GIMPLE (i.e., mechanically = with no knowledge of the _ARM_), then that might be the better place to shunt off to LLVM bitcode IR*, skipping both GENERIC and GIMPLE.
* a GPLv3ed LLVM-backended GNAT compiler, of course, analogous to the old llvm-gcc and llvm-g++ in the early days of LLVM
Conversely, if GNAT is still imbuing fresh _ARM_-defined Adaness into either GENERIC or GIMPLE that wasn't fully represented upstream prior to GENERIC/GIMPLE, then these imbuings would be skipped, nullifying any fleeting interest in a shunt off to LLVM bitcode IR prior to GENERIC/GIMPLE.
None of this arrives at a non-GPLed open-source Ada compiler though.
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2018-05-09 15:30 disruptors of & inventory of Ada compilers and latest their era of ISO8652 compliance Dan'l Miller
2018-05-09 16:41 ` Lucretia
2018-05-09 17:26 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-05-09 17:34 ` Lucretia
2018-05-09 18:29 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-05-17 14:41 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-05-17 15:56 ` Luke A. Guest
2018-05-17 16:49 ` Dan'l Miller [this message]
2018-05-17 17:19 ` Luke A. Guest
2018-05-17 18:43 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-05-17 20:09 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-05-17 20:23 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-05-18 0:56 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-05-18 10:47 ` Lucretia
2018-05-18 11:33 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-05-18 11:48 ` Lucretia
2018-05-19 1:48 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-05-19 13:04 ` Brian Drummond
2018-05-19 15:04 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-05-20 13:00 ` Brian Drummond
2018-05-20 14:12 ` Simon Wright
2018-05-21 11:43 ` Brian Drummond
2018-05-20 17:24 ` Lucretia
2018-05-19 16:01 ` Simon Wright
2018-05-20 3:02 ` Shark8
2018-05-19 3:14 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-05-17 18:42 ` Niklas Holsti
2018-05-18 14:06 ` R R
2018-05-18 14:33 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-05-09 17:36 ` Simon Clubley
2018-05-09 18:25 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-05-09 19:19 ` Niklas Holsti
2018-05-09 21:38 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-05-10 8:00 ` Micronian Coder
2018-05-10 8:49 ` Janus Ada 12 (was Re: disruptors of ...) Jeffrey R. Carter
2018-05-10 20:24 ` Paul Rubin
2018-06-26 20:36 ` disruptors of & inventory of Ada compilers and latest their era of ISO8652 compliance invalid
2018-06-29 22:18 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-07-01 8:44 ` invalid
2018-07-03 22:07 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-07-08 15:46 ` invalid
2018-05-10 7:49 ` Micronian Coder
2018-05-14 13:10 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2018-05-14 22:56 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-05-15 15:29 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-05-18 13:02 ` Simon Wright
2018-05-14 18:52 ` gautier_niouzes
2018-05-14 19:37 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-05-16 19:37 ` gautier_niouzes
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