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From: Georg Bauhaus <rm.dash-bauhaus@futureapps.de>
Subject: Re: Ada vs Eiffel - Ada programmer approach
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:37:29 +0200
Date: 2009-05-26T18:37:30+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4a1c1aca$0$30229$9b4e6d93@newsspool1.arcor-online.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4vCdnRo6At8-mIHXnZ2dnUVZ8n2dnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>

Tim Rowe schrieb:
> Ludovic Brenta wrote:

>> - in most of the examples I saw in the literature, only very simple
>> subprograms would have a contract and the contract would mostly repeat
>> the body of the subprogram. This redundancy is counter-productive.

I tought that too, but don't consider redundancy counter-productive any
more; it makes me think twice.  In fact, trying to find a post-condition
---which must be consistent with the module invariant, for
which there isn't any support in Ada yet---has forced my to simplify
program structure. :-)  Isn't that a good thing?



>> For
>> more complex subprograms, it can be very difficult to write pre and
>> postconditions and invariants; Ada's pragma Assert provides what I
>> need in these (rare) cases  because I can put such pragmas in the
>> middle of a subprogram, for example.

Eiffel has "check" and "debug" which are more specific than
pragma Assert.


> Both of the problems you describe are programming issues, not design
> issues.  There's nothing about the *design* process that mandates any
> run-time checks or that requires you to have pre- and post-conditions
> expressed in the target language. That's a matter for coding standards.
> To me, Design by Contract simply means working out and documenting in
> advance under what circumstances a section of code can legitimately be
> entered, and, if that is satisfied, what we can guarantee on exit.

This "section of code" bit is important; loop invariants and
variants are part of Eiffel DbC.  Is there a loop variant
annotation is SPARK (so far, I didn't think there was).



  reply	other threads:[~2009-05-26 16:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-24  8:39 Ada vs Eiffel - Ada programmer approach Tomek Walkuski
2009-05-24 11:49 ` anon
2009-05-24 12:26   ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-05-24 12:17 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-05-24 16:31 ` Pascal Obry
2009-05-25 16:32   ` Rugxulo
2009-05-26 13:37   ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-05-26 14:51     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-05-26 17:26       ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-05-26 17:39         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-05-26 17:59           ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-05-26 19:52             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-05-26 20:14               ` Pascal Obry
2009-05-26 20:25                 ` Pascal Obry
2009-05-26 21:28                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-05-26 18:23       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2009-05-26 15:07     ` Tim Rowe
2009-05-26 16:37       ` Georg Bauhaus [this message]
2009-05-28  8:37         ` Nicholas Paul Collin Gloucester
2009-06-01 16:22         ` Tim Rowe
2009-06-04  7:35       ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-06-04  9:46         ` Martin
2009-06-04 12:16           ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-06-04  9:56         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2009-06-16  6:58         ` ardjussi
2009-06-16 17:22           ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2009-05-26 18:21     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2009-05-26 18:35       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-06-04  7:39       ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-06-04  9:02         ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-06-04  9:19           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-06-04 12:14             ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-06-04 14:14               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-06-04 16:45         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2009-06-04  7:30     ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-06-04  7:55       ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-06-04  8:45         ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-06-04  9:03           ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-06-04 13:25         ` Robert A Duff
2009-06-04 13:39           ` Martin
2009-06-04 13:08             ` stefan-lucks
2009-06-08 12:41           ` Samuel Tardieu
2009-06-08 19:37             ` Robert A Duff
2009-06-08 22:52               ` Randy Brukardt
2009-06-09  7:39                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-06-10  6:55               ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-06-10  6:58               ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-06-10 11:10                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-06-04  7:04   ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-06-04  6:04 ` Hibou57 (Yannick Duchêne)
2009-06-06 14:27   ` Marco
2009-06-06 15:37     ` Tomek Wałkuski
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